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I am a little concerned that the Bills have gotten pretty similar production against both decent and bad defenses the last 4 weeks.

Blow outs happen when multiple phases don’t hold their own. So we can lose to Seattle 38-42. That’s not a blow out. If they smoke us 35-17, that’s because the defense couldn’t stop them AND the offense couldn’t keep up.

I actually think the $3-400 price point is way too high for what is basically just access to the 1pm games on Sunday. At $400 bucks I am tempted to just keep using my VPN and ripping the game off. With so many people cutting the chord, the NFL really needs to evolve here and start including all games through the app/streaming. Possibly include a single team package or a per game charge. That said, I am in Saratoga Springs. I tried calling to just get the streaming service. They said no I needed DTV. I have no use for a cable package. So I actually have an old athlete that is in Med School so I threw her a couple bucks to help me out.

This is my issue at the moment. I get that teams are adjusting but we have too much firepower on the offensive side of the ball to be back to putting up last years average weeks in a row.

You seriously don't remember him? Like at all? His name alone is pretty memorable. Not that he was some great player, but he made a few timely splash plays. He played 19 games total with us. 3 INT's and 2 FF. Only 8 starts. I was surprised we didn't keep him as depth behind Poyer and Hyde.

I can’t unsee this. Thank you.

We have had a couple of these repeat threads. Thought I would bump to the original. Mods, feel free to combined. I was hoping the Bills would improve more by now on this stat. They’re -2 now after a 2-2 stretch. With a tough stretch coming up. So far the team seems closer to a 10-6 team than a 13-3/12-4 we thought they might be after the first 4 weeks. If they can’t improve here over the back half they could end up being one and done again in the playoffs.

Since Singletary already wears 26, what jersey Number do you think he’ll be wearing next week?

The thing I learned the most from that is that I want to listen to Ray Lewis break down plays a lot more. Dude just has a certain gravity. Of course he’s part of the GOAT conversation.

SUPER BOWL!

When you talk about starters like Hyde (not necessarily back ups like Murphy) you should also ask: Who is his direct replacement? What does his replacement cost? Money and production? Who do we actually sign/go after with that money? What do we pay them? Because when we cut Hyde we are now missing a safety. So for at least a period of time we have a hole at safety, and a weakness at LB and Edge. IMO if we aren’t positive we upgrade those positions, it’s not worth the $5M difference between keeping him and letting him go.

Thanks for sharing. Most of the internet cap-ologists were pretty shocked by it as well. I think we are both sort of right here. The $7M they paid is the signing bonus on the $15M contract. Which would normally stick with the original team in any trade for any player. The odd part about this one is that Houston agreed to that when brokering the contract/trade. Not that they picked which parts of the contract were tradable and not. To my point a team can’t trade a player in the offseason and say, “if you throw in an extra pick, we will pay his roster bonus after your training camp. Or how about you take base salary and we’ll pay his performance escalators.” In order for the Clowney situation to happen the Pats would need to renegotiate the Gilmore contract and move more money into his signing bonus and reduce his cap hit for the next team. Whether they will do that, I don’t know. But if a team thinks Gilmore will return to form either next year or in a new environment, his $17.M-ish next year isn’t thaaat crazy. It’s basically the AAV for Tre.

I mean, the should extend everybody. But I think pre-season there was some whispers that he might be valued in the $15M range. I think some quick rounded math in my head is $9M-ish. I’d be OK with giving Edmunds $9M for one year to see if he’s worth an extension.

In theory you can trade cash, but you cannot trade cap space in that way. So say you gave a 1st for Gilmore and $10M. You don't get a $10M increase on the salary cap. NO could have and most likely would have traded away picks for the Browns, Bills, Colts, etc.cap space over the last few years. It doesn't work that way.

I'm sorry, what? (I actually like rap and Drake and have no idea what is going on here)

WTF are you talking about? I may be wrong here, but I am fairly certain you can't just break down the contract into line items and sell/buy whatever portions of the contract you don't want to deal with. A team can't just go to NE and say, "hey we'll give you a 2nd for Gilmore, and if you pay an additional X part of his contract we will throw in a 4th too".

I have actually been OK (see not happy, but not angry like a lot of other posters) with Hughes, and to a lesser extent Addison. Our bigger issue has been DT and LB which has been 2 fold. 1. Per Joe B. in the Athletic, we have Oliver lining up at 1 tech 66% of the time. He is playing out of position, so he sucks at 1 tech and now we have a hole at 3 tech. 2. Edmunds has been overpersuing a ton! He can hit the hole hard and fast, but somehow finds a way to run right by the RB. If we could get better play at 1-tech and Edmunds, we would all be much happier with Hughes and Addison. Trent is a bit of a whipping boy. I see him as JAG. If we can save money by cutting him, great, if he sticks around, OK I guess.

His cap hit this year is like $25M. I am not one of the resident cap-ologists, but it is pretty expensive for a rental this season. Next year is about $17.5M. I am actually less concerned about cost in draft capital and more concerned with managing the cap. The only way it works I think is probably with an extension as well to spread out the damage. But now you are extending a player who has not been good this year and taking a chance that he will return to form. If he doesn't you end up eating tons of $$$.

This! 4-0 in the division and 6-2 goes a long way, especially with the 7th seed this year. Random thought, wasn’t there a team (Raiders maybe?) around 2010 that went 6-10 on the year but won all of their division games?

I think people get worked up by total cash. But by percent of the cap not much has changed. Kelly made about $3.1M per year on a $35M cap. Just under 10%. Outside of 5-ish QB’s that’s right around where the bulk of QB’s are. Given the rule changes it is not surprising that passers have creeped up a few points, but it’s not out of the ordinary.

In order to fix the DL you need to basically cut half to 3/4 of them. Then replace them. All the while you also need help at CB2 and nobody knows what the hell is going on at either LB position. So sure you can “fix it” by taking some dead cap. But you then don’t actually have a DL and you have to replace them. Like I said, you can’t just cut everybody and generically say, “oh well FA and the draft”. We have the highest paid DL in the league with minimal performance. That’s not just a cut and replace a guy situation.

Sorry I meant to say starting experience. But to the over all point, I wouldn’t feel comfortable at all if AJE was our only DE on the roster.

I have a feeling that the swing and a miss in all that cash on the DL from last off season will be a problem that will take a few years to rebound. It’s a Beane failure compounded by some uncertainty around what to/if you pay Edmunds/Milano plus a new Allen contract. Cash to performance wise, this DL sort of reminds me of the Walker Dockery signings from like 15 years ago.

I am as not upset with the DL situation and the production of our FA’s as anybody. But we can’t just drop them all because money, contracts, and production. We HAVE to have planned upgrades, not just say “the draft and FA”. Murphy, Addison, Hughes leaves exactly zero starting DE on the roster. You probably keep Hughes and Addison one more year. Jefferson probably gets cut with Murphy.

I think we agree here. An Edmunds extension will probably be something closer to what he and his agent thinks they can improve to because of measurables, not based on what he has already done. It will be interesting to get an idea of where everybody values his play as that time inches closer.