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I guess Beane was serious when he said BPA. He nabbed a RB on Day 2 but no WR.

I’m a 60 year old man and combat vet. I don’t ever cry when facing misfortune. It’s not who I am. But that video teared me up. Viva los Bills! Best wishes to Pancho!

Here's how I look at it. The Bills get their money from ticket sales, tv contracts, and and licensed gear purchases. In other words, we pay Beane. I'm going to let the man do the job we pay him to do. If at first I don't like a pick, I'll research further to find out why Beane liked the guy. And then hope Beane is right. We'll find out as the season progresses. I won't pretend to be smarter than Beane and his team of professional scouts.

I might not be a fan of every one of Beane's picks. But I am a fan of every player we draft.

With all the comments about other wall-worthy players, this thread has me daydreaming about something. Imagine Cookie and OJ - in their prime - both in same backfield at the same time. I think OJ just might be the most naturally gifted runner ever. And Cookie was an amazing FB. It would be the best HB/FB combo ever by a long shot. Gawd, I'd love to see it. In regards to the original subject of the thread... When Lynch came to Seattle, my local friends here asked me about him. I told them he's a hard runner and will do great things in Seattle. I'm not always, or even often, right. But in this case I was. Lynch's talent was obvious. But having said that, count me in the club that thinks he should be on Seattle's wall, not Buffalo's.

Not to give you a hard time, brother, but does your "feeling" really warrant a new thread? Couldn't you have just put your feeling into some other Josh Allen or draft thread? Though I wouldn't mind doubling up on Josh Allens.

Why are we discussing such depressing stuff on the eve of the draft???

This is exactly right. Beane has done a good job building up the roster with decent starters. What we need now are difference makers. At least in the early rounds, I think Beane's going BPA as he says. While our RB room is full, we could use some young legs. Shady & Gore are not the future. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't take a RB but I wouldn't be surprised if we did. The only position I'd be surprised if we drafted is QB. We need upgrades everywhere.

Certainly Rex's failed tenure contributed to Whaley's demise and Whaley didn't choose Rex. But you bring up a more interesting point about NFL leadership models. There are three in use: * HC works for GM. * GM works for HC. * GM and HC are coequals. They all have pros and cons. The Pegulas seem to prefer the co-equal approach and I'm not convinced.

Okay. I get the context now. And, as far as that goes, Whaley was far from an idiot. I remember SI calling him a 'rising star' or something like that when he was with the Steelers. He was and is a bright guy. In fact, no GM is an idiot. All of them know far more about football than we fans do. But some GMs are better than others. Sadly, in his time with us, Whaley did not outperform his GM peers.

Huh? I've never called anyone an idiot - not Whaley, not my fellow posters, no one. In fact, you'll find I've ranted against ad hominen attacks a few times on this site. My attitude toward Bills supporters is something like this... We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;For he who suffers Bills fandom with meShall be my brother.

I don't know how many Pro Bowlers we have in our starting lineup but it sure seems depth will be better than it's been.

Dude, why do you have to be offensive? I think Whaley was calling the shots and several people who know me don't think I'm an idiot. I don't think McD had the time or resources to control the draft. He was immersed in his new job and didn't have a bunch of scouts on his staff.

The fact it was discussed doesn't make it true. All the scouts worked for Whaley. The entire scouting process was under Whaley's control. Why would McD make the actual picks? The supposition defies logic.

I'm with the OP. I pay scant attention to mock drafts. They're more wrong than right. I prefer real facts over wild speculation and wait until the actual draft to get excited. I care nothing about do-over mocks. With all this mental m*st*rb*tion going on, this is my least favorite time of the football year.

Another nice article on match coverage... https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/11/08/the-match-game-part-2-how-nick-saban-re-imagined-defensive-coverage/

I once heard an old GM (Ron Wolf, I think) say that it doesn't matter if your first round pick is a bust. If you get two Pro Bowlers out of the draft, it's a very good draft. If you get three, it's a great draft. You've got to get at least one but the goal is to land two. If we got 2 or 3 Pro Bowlers in this draft, I wouldn't care what positions they played. 2 or 3 impact players would vastly upgrade this roster. Having said that, my hope is that at least one of those future Pro Bowlers is an offensive linemen. I'm tired of seeing our RBs futilely running into an uninterrupted mass of gargantuan men and our QBs looking like frightened gazelles running from a pack of hungry lions.

This is both true and Beane's probable opinion. But I think it would be hubris to ignore the statistical data. It ought to factor in the decision making process somewhere.

We have decent starters in every position group. What we need is impact players ... BPA

Agreed. Far too easy to be interesting

We don't need a defensive or offensive player per se. We have lots of guys who can suit up, take the field, and not embarrass themselves. What we need is an impact player. Someone with the potential to change the result of a game. Someone that opponents must account for. Beane will ask himself, "Which player left on the board will make the biggest difference." And that's the guy.

I agree that Dunne is a pretty legit reporter. I think in this case, however, his sources may have been mostly bitter malcontents.

I think free agency has gotten us to a point we don't have any glaring needs. We certainly don't have Pro Bowlers at every position but we have reasonable NFL starters almost across the board. Beane's in a position where he doesn't have to reach or trade up for a position of need. We don't need starters per se in the draft - we need impact players. And we could use an impact player in almost any position group. Beane will probably entertain trades when there's value in it. If he sees a potential Pro Bowler sliding a bit, he may trade up to nab him. Or he may trade down with a partner that offers a deal too good to refuse. Free agent impact players are typically expensive. Beane needs to find them in this draft.

There are 64 starting Guards in the NFL. PFF graded Spain at 35th best. That makes him an average starting Guard.

If I were a GM or HC, I’d want 3 solid starters and 2 Pro Bowlers on my OL. We have a bunch of decent starters and quality depth guys. We lack elite talent anywhere on the OL and I think Beane will look to the draft to fix that.