OldTimer1960

3rd this year & Boogie Basham (who might be a nice fit in their 3-4) for Jeudy. Gonna have to pay Jeudy either next year or in 2025. Or, Ed Oliver straight up for Jeudy.

Somewhat plausible. I am no fan of Boutte, but at end of round 3? Ok!

Gronk was off a lot of team’s draft boards due to back problems. Obviously, he had a very good career, but it did bother him some and for sure it was a medical risk. There is so much we are not privy to regarding the draft eligible players. We can watch game tape and read pundits’ opinions, but we don’t know their medicals, we might be able to guess if they are physically maxed out or if they have room to grow, we don’t get to interview the players or their coaches to find out how well they understand the game or how dedicated they are. We can estimate how those players might fit the Bills’ system, but we don’t know for sure. We don’t know what young players already on the roster the staff might think is really developing, etc.. Those are some important factors.

Dude, yes there are exceptions, but that doesn’t mean that most 5th round picks turn out that way.

Not sure you find a WR even as good as Davis in round 2 this year - not that Giants would even entertain that trade.

I’m simply responding to your post from 3 hours ago that Bill Polian would expect most 5th rounders to be good starters. I am hoping that Shakir can fill the slot role well, but hoping is different than planning on it.

Go look up success rate for 5th round picks. It isn’t high if the standard is “becomes decent starter”. Certainly, there are exceptions to that, but if you get a decent starter in round 5, you did well.

I agree, it is depressing. At this point, maybe best to stick to high-floor guys and hope that you get solid contributions from hopefully the first 3 rounds. That doesn’t mean that they have to start this year to be considered a contributor, but hopefully eventually they will get 2-3 decent starters out of this draft.

I like what little we saw of Shakir, but that would not deter me from picking another slot receiver. Now, if you wait until round 4 or later to do so, it may not be worth doing, but I think there are some nice slot options in rounds 1-3 that could be worth taking, even if they really like Shakir. But, they have enough holes to fill that they might shy away from another slot option.

I actually like Avila better than Torrence, but still a G in round 1 doesn’t scream premium position.

I disagree. I think we’ll see what Edmunds did for the pass defense in the middle of the field if he leaves.

Totally aligned, but is there a worthwhile OL to be had there? Likely an OT available, but is OG/C a premium position for round 1?

Flowers >>> McKenzie

I am not dogging Musgrave, but those two big games were against weaker Mountain West teams (Boise State and I forget who else). If he played more games against better competition, it would be easier to project him. That being said, Dawson Knox had very little receiving production in college and I think he is doing quite well in the league.

Agree, but I’d like to take the rushing load off Allen by a considerable amount otherwise he may have a shorter career than we hope.

Levitre was also good. If the standard is that any pick where a player picked later turns out better is a bad pick, then all GMs and almost every pick is bad.

With Addison it is his thin frame and modest speed to size ratio. He ran about a 4.5 40 which is acceptable, but at 175ish pounds, you hoped for a bit faster time. Still, his quickness and route running chops are evident. The only knock I’ve heard on JSN is modest top end speed and that there are questions if he is mostly a slot guy. Like Addison, JSN has demonstrated that he can get open, but missing most of last season with a hamstring leaves him with only one (very) productive season - I don’t think this is the case, but it is possible to wonder if his production in 2021 was due to defenses paying more attention to Garret Williams and Chris Olave.

I’m not necessarily advocating for another TE. I think that most here would agree that the offense needs more weapons - I’m just thinking that it is possible that the best offensive weapon available when they pick might be a TE.

I’m not saying that Tre Palmer might not be pretty good, but Flowers has much more proven ability to shake defenders with route running. Hyatt has shown good hands on the few routes he was asked to run.

Shopping just for fast 40 times is not the best way to scout (imho). Palmer has some good traits, but I don’t think he is coming into the league and playing a lot on offense this season. The RB. might have a chance to play some in the league as it is an easier position to make an impact.

The way a #2 TE gets on the field is to move away from a 3WR set because they don’t have 3 good WRs.

I would not be disappointed with Schmitz and Rice in first two round, but the crowd that thinks the 27th pick needs to be all-pro in a year or two will be. Really, that crowd is going to be disappointed no matter who they take in round 1. Point is if people thing Greg Rousseau isn’t performing “as a first round pick should” won’t like anyone they take at 27 in this draft, except maybe Bijon Robinson. I would be happy with a good OL or good starting WR or good starter elsewhere.

I’m not sure that Schmitz can be a good G after showing up at the combine at only 301 and not being known for his mobility. I must be watching different games for Rice, because I see very little ability to get separation based on his route running. I agree that he has above average size, very good leaping ability and ability to make contested catches. I just don’t see a guy who is going to get open vs man coverage. I think the Bills will have the option to take him at their 2nd round pick. He was very productive, but it was against weak competition for the most part.

Totally agree, but the problem is there don’t seem to be great WR who will be available at Bills’ draft position and I can’t identify (so far) any major playmakers who might be available in round 2 or 3. I don’t think that this is a great year for WR in the draft. There are some undersized guys that might be really good in the slot - Addison, Flowers, Downs, but is that what the Bills need? I think they really need a good outside receiver to challenge Gabe Davis. I haven’t completely given up on Davis who played hurt much of the year, but that spot is where I’d hope to upgrade- after Quentin Johnston, who fits that description? *Maybe* Rashee Rice, maybe Jonathan Mingo? Michael Wilson ran 4.59 after a nice Senior Bowl to dampen his stock. Now, I don’t think 4.59 disqualifies Wilson from consideration, but that wasn’t the best number for a guy who had some momentum after the all-star game.

The problem is finding someone who wants to trade up. There will likely be a bunch of players roughly in the same tier, so what incentive will a team have to move up. It often takes a QB available late for someone to want to jump up, but who would that be. Tanner McKee?