NoSaint

if he hits his ceiling, he will be tremendous value for us - the type that can sway huge games. he’s flashing it.

I’ll at least buy this. it may be some confirmation bias that what we saw tonight matched the pre baked worry about the group…. But may not be the norm.

got it. So the argument is in the 4th quarter after losing our lead against a team in the division/conference (all those tie breakers count extra) that we were strategically punting back to them for lack any real pressure - not that it was a case of our offense struggling to get anything more than 5 yards down field, but simply complimentary football still hopefully when we need the play later down the road- or maybe several of those plays - they are in fact readily available

throwing a few 20 yard passes to wide receivers isn’t super man. In fact, giving him a wr who can do that without him having to act like super man is the entire point of the thread. you can support the general philosophy without being totally disingenuous about the push back you are receiving

is that when you wouldve opened it up? tied in the 4th quarter on 3rd down wasn’t time to make a passing play but behind would’ve been when it becomes a need?

where we diverge: I think the plan is maximizing what we have, and not always what the plan could be. if Keon exploded into a dominant threat- the plan would look different, for instance

if we didn’t get the roughing the kicker and they marched down the field what would you have thought?

At some point in the second half we crossed that threshold and did not succeed opening it up. Against a very bad secondary. Thats the point. it’s nit picky tonight. It may be the difference in us taking the trophy home later though.

the problem isn’t Brady ball - I celebrated it in the first half. If you are walking down the field, no need to risk turnover, injury or sack in the second half on a few plays where we needed the shot - it wasn’t happening and it seemed to be perimeter skill, not play call in those moments.

no one said perfection. I just think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how other teams are built if you think the options are cincy or us at WR.

yes they did that by very explicitly toasting a single player who was catastrophic. I can hope Dallas makes the Super Bowl and we get Elam- but I do think it’s a fair challenge to point out that we may run into

we have Josh. The expectation should be best offense of the decade if we reasonably support him. That doesn’t need to be $50m+ for WR1/WR2 for us to have options that can run

I think you see where bass is once healthy but all things similar it should be him

ultimately this is not a regular season thread. I suspect we all agree we are a 13-14 win team potentially but in February against the eagles down in the second half with the pass rush coming so we can’t get to our 4th read…. Do we have a matchup where we can count on a first read win downfield on 3rd and 8? or is it Josh getting in the sandlot and just hoping?

why can’t you have both?

was that them being exceptional or jaire being horrific? I guess we will see.

mentioned that today the trophies would be nice but it’s a start

but at some point you have to be able to make chunk plays or count on a guy to win a matchup. Fingers crossed someone progresses as I don’t think we have a guy where we can reliably call his number and expect him to win more often than not. A little bit of pass rush and playing from behind will be a real challenge for this offense if we can’t count on a first read and don’t have consistent time for sand lot. Josh will cover that up a lot but come January it might be our heel

we didn’t need to force the issue tonight but it really stood out as a major concern.

while part of the decision - when we needed a downfield play tonight it was not there against perhaps the weakest corners we will face

had some pressure… the wr piece continues to worry me as a bill that will someday come due

that didn’t seem fluky

WR anywhere? They have no corners

Got to see WRs make any play tonight

Ugh - if WRs aren’t getting open downfield here… that’s a big red flag