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those steals at RB are a lot easier than premiere pass rusher. He might have snagged one this year. Maybe. But I’d be surprised to see many teams with solid bookends that didn’t invest a premium pick or large free agent contract. Definitely not impossible but we will see

you mention two drastically different players and then filling it as a singular hole. i think we have enough penetrating with Oliver and some big bodies that can kick inside. With an injury it could be rough. the stout run stuffer is easier to fill. And I don’t think Starr was GREAT at it. I would not trade a pick for a premium DT knowing it’s not a long term need with us stuck with Starr’s return and contract tolling. If there’s a decent guy that can be had on a 1 year deal at low price, I guess go for it (ala the raiders dolphins trade this week)

right. By adding talent at a more premium position. And likely acquiring a high comp pick as Milano would count and YN doesn’t. it wouldn’t have been crazy. And Milano has a good chance of being gone regardless.

And if you think social media’s effect on society’s ills is a cigar.... I’ll stand by my last comment

Because if you are pressing him for a direct answer I wonder if you even understand what you are asking. Which means I suspect the real answer isn’t what you are truly looking for here.

I think it’s a far more layered answer than you care to explore. There’s a ton of positives but likewise a lot of issues. There’s also short and long term considerations. but I suspect we would only marginally agree on what the issues are yet alone how they are being effected in various horizons

you said that criminals fleeing should be shot solely on fleeing. And have mocked me several times for pointing out how ludicrous that is. That there are criminals and innocents and criminals should be killed to protect the innocents if they don’t immediately go to jail. but here we are with a charged person walking away from the scene of his shooting 3 people while still seeming to be illegally carrying his gun and after curfew and you are justifying that he was just trying to ensure his and others safety by not surrendering to the police there. you can see why someone would find a bit of contradiction in your comments throughout this thread, no? Is it the speed with which they flee? Like a brisk walk is cool but if sprinting it’s an issue? Or is the tipping point an officer saying “stop” and then continuing on that makes you want them dead? Because it wasn’t fighting officers up thread when you made the argument, or the additional times you brought it up. I don’t know, maybe there’s something else different between this kid and the other “criminals.” It’s certainly getting harder and harder to parse out protestor vs BLM vs antifa in the arguments some of these folks make. When you refer to the entire group as antifa or the growing more common BLM terrorists... it makes you wonder which activists would be spared during this 1 hour full massacre of all antifa. actually, it doesn’t make me wonder that. It makes me wonder why anyone is defending the dudes rhetoric in the first place. It’s ok to just say someone “on your side” is an extremist and shouldn’t be considered representative. Unless you actually do agree and just don’t like having to own it publicly is the real issue.

ready- next time try applying that level of thought to what could be going through the mind of the young black man dead in the street instead of saying he should be shot for fleeing the scene if he has been accused of a crime. as by your standard this young man charged with several serious crimes should’ve been shot for fleeing.

he had a hype video we benched the starter for him he’s a little more. At least a tiny bit.

reading some of the rittenhouse filings... curious what folks think about him calling his friend instead of the police after the first shooting or frankly that once he reached police he didn’t immediately stop and report

The Blake situation has a few things hanging with me that I’m not sure expected protocol or best practice on. pulling a knife is not a huge deal to me. It definitely ups the stress level and potential to turn south... but alone you can back up, create space and continue to attempt to manage the situation. entering the car... And Specifically a car with kids is a major wild card. My questions about the use of force probably center around weighing risk to them if he gets in, not the risk to officers if he pulls a knife out of the door. It strikes me that in managing the scene an officer maybe should’ve controlled that direction of movement better? But that could just be Monday morning quarterbacking. If you think back to my earlier post about the officers controlling the scene, and who the imminent threat was to- it was pointed at seeing if you brought this up as I was curious about a LEO weighing a scene like that with kids present

generally very true Though the affirmative defense does bring some degree of guilty until proven justified dynamic to it, unless we are arguing someone else shot the guys. The shifting burden of proof and concession of having committed the act does effect how the fact patterns are evaluated. and unless there’s something we’re all missing the gun charge seems open and shut in that we know he had the gun and was 17 and was in a location where a 17 year old couldn’t do that. that said, I’ll again say they all deserve fair trials

@Kirby Jackson

“Hey guys, read this junk article I found- it’s really bad.”

And in that problem we find why I try to zoom out a bit and talk broad strokes on these sometimes. Deep diving 3rd hand partial accounts of events, while weaving them alongside Instagram videos and comparing to the minutiae of the local laws of the incident du jour has its place. I get hooked in it plenty. but sometimes you just know a kid shouldn’t be out in a riot after curfew with a big ass gun regardless of the intricacies of how it went south and which party gets the better campaign boost from the disaster. The groundswell of celebrating his patriotism surely makes me uncomfortable regardless of whether he goes to jail or not.

it would loop around to a very fair question about whether the law should allow high school kids to do what he was doing (ignoring the actual shooting completely). I understand hunting exceptions etc... but I’m not super eager to have still forming brains in control of high impact weapons in the street.

I would encourage the trained professionals to exhaust non lethal options first but if he is creating an immediate threat to life with said knife I agree they should be able to intervene. I don’t think that should be controversial. I’ll ask this as it seems you’re a LEO... would you have handled the interaction the same or do you think they may have flubbed it a bit along the way. do you think that if the officer did not pull the trigger loss of other lives was imminent? How many and who/how? I’ll again echo that I haven’t fully formed an opinion on Blake yet, and have some concerns on both sides of the interaction.

I do think he deserves a fair trial. I don’t think you can point to me advocating he be shot in the street by police. though in the confusion and guns fired I think it would be easier to see mistakes happen in the volatility and attempts to protect life. I’m not sure what the police (or individuals involved) would do had they been there. that is 100% my impression as well, and seems to be that of the DA but always like to give them the chance to show me wrong if I misinterpreted or don’t understand

honest question- can a 17 year old open carry in Wisconsin (without any kind of permit or paperwork)? the local DA and charge number 6 seem to suggest that not to be allowed but that he didn’t violate additional federal laws by transporting the weapon between states. though again, not the local expert so leaning on some common sense and that the charge wasn’t totally made up. Could prove wrong there. Wouldn’t be the first or last.

when you stop putting people in buckets of criminals and innocents... and start following concepts of liberty like being innocent until proven guilty, being owed due process, not authorizing a government you don’t trust to execute citizens in the street for non compliance, etc... it may become a bit more natural. or maybe America isn’t the country for you. There are a lot of more authoritarian countries out there that you could also look into that actually support the values you espouse.

if you give your teenage cousin a legal gun that he is not permitted to open carry in that state and he is running around the streets I think that gets a bit less legal but I won’t pretend to be an expert in intricacies of WI gun law. I will say in many states he would not be able to open carry that weapon legally regardless of whether he carried it over the border

i suppose it’s less illegal at that point but “a friend gave it to me” doesn’t make it a legal weapon, right? And I will not shoot joe in the back. He is welcome to live another day. im not sure “guy who doesn’t think fleeing is a death sentence” is the insult you think it is. In fact my stance is much smaller government than yours.

Yea- I’d be retreating from this one if I were you too.

no good White male republican could believe minorities don’t get quite the same fair shake they do?

And anyone who disagrees with you is the left!