BADOLBILZ

Sometimes star players just decide they need to work with other coaches and players because what they've been doing just isn't working. Doesn't have to be hate. None of your 4 "points" are in any way necessary for this to be plausible. QB/front office conflict didn't stop Brady from winning his last couple SB's in NE. Nor did it keep Rodgers from winning back-to-back MVP's. All that needs to happen is Allen just feeling like he needs change. What's implausible is thinking that an elite QB will just be cool with the other side of the ball imploding every year in the playoffs.........when that side of the ball is the HC's specialty. Started with blowing a 16 point lead in Houston in 2019. Then a blowout in KC in 2020. 13 seconds. Bengals just dominating the Bills defense at home in 2022 and same with Chiefs in 2023. McDermott's side of the ball has consistently let Allen's side down in the playoffs. Doesn't have to hate him to think he needs a change.

It's not me predicting a "probable" scenario. The context of this thread is what would make McDermott and/or Beane NOT locks to stay. The answer is Allen deciding he needs a situation change. Capiche? But I literally gave you an example, in Matt Stafford. A beloved player who was totally invested in Detroit but finally decided he needed to go elsewhere to get a ring(s). I am not an anti-McDermott person. But Allen has been blocked from the SB 4 times and counting by Mahomes and Burrow.........who both have offensive minded HC's. Allen is a CA native and has chosen to make LA his home. When asked why he lives there.......he says why wouldn't anyone want to live in LA? He loves it and his GF lives there to boot. Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay are arguably the 2 brightest offensive minds in the NFL and also happen to coach in CA and they have reached 4 of the last 6 SB's. They've just been out-QB'd in the SB. And they don't have long term commitments at the QB position. There are less elite QB's to compete against in the NFC. More home time, more earning opportunities in LA. And again, a chance to play Mahomes in a Super Bowl with an elite HC instead of in a divisional round with a defensive HC whose defense has TOTALLY fallen apart in all 3 meetings with Mahomes.

As for what I envision..........I envision Allen(and his agent, family etc..) having to be dissuaded from seeking greener pastures if they don't get past Mahomes and to a SB this year or the next at the latest. If he decides he wants to go to a place with an offensive minded HC who actually gets to Super Bowls INSTEAD of staying with McDermott and getting speedboat out of the playoffs every year, Pegula will have to oblige. Just like Detroit had to with Stafford. But you can be sure that the Bills organization will try to give Allen the same situation in Buffalo first. They'd be dumb not to. Elite QB's are a lot harder to find than solid HC's.

They aren't close. It's a professional relationship. Two very different types of people. Now Daboll and Josh Allen? They were close. It's not a matter of Allen having to go behind anyone's back. If he refuses to sign an extension next offseason, Pegula will have to do what he has to do to keep Josh Allen on board.

I don't disagree. I've wanted them to become more multiple on defense for years. Adapt to opponents like the Patriots did for years. Or even like Spags and the Chiefs. It's been maddening watching them in the same defense for 7 seasons and despite all of that continuity........when they get to the playoffs they are just fish in a barrel for the likes of Burrow and Mahomes. Other teams actually do get stops against those QB's in the playoffs. I just think this one move is an outlier.

I can't say I'd be happy with that kind of result. I'd at best be indifferent. I was hoping they'd pick Austin Booker with that selection they traded to the Bears........and that's who the Bears took. I liked what I saw of Solomon........I even thought he might have a clearer path to success in the NFL. As an OLB edge rusher. But he's just not a fit for the Bills defense so he was basically off-the-board for me there. Hopefully they find a way to make it work. Didn't work with Moats. On D he did next to nothing well with the Bills. We were collectively glad to see him go after the 2013 season. He played WAY better in Pittsburgh, in a scheme that fit his skills.

You really think Josh Allen views McDermott like his dad?

Even that's an issue. It's not like Josh is the type to throw his HC under the bus. I think we attribute things to Josh Allen that we want him to be..........but should probably know better than to presume. We've already had to back off the idea that he was going to work tirelessly like Tom Brady to be the best..........or that he wouldn't let his personal life affect his play on the field in a playoff game etc..

Their employment with the Bills is totally Josh Allen's call at this point.

Ty Johnson is just a guy. He had 132 yards last year, just 4.4 ypc and got injured. It's not like he "broke out"......it was his lowest production season as a pro. The perception of him by Bills fans is that he's a lot better than he is. Dude's been kicking around doing very little for quite a while.

Yeah, what I was saying is Ansah went from raw has could be and only being a defensive player for one season(he was just a special teams guy prior) to being really good right away in the NFL. Boehringer is the opposite.......he is one of the 5 highest RAS score receivers to enter the draft since 1987 and never translated. I do think that it's just A LOT easier to come out of nowhere like Ansah or Jordan Mailata if you are a lineman. Skill position guys typically now are getting a decade plus of year round skill honing prior to entering the league and there is a lot of competition. Big guys who are athletic are always really hard to find so these foreign giants have a greater opportunity to succeed, IMO.

Ziggy Ansah didn't dominate in college. He really only played defense his final year at BYU, when he had a modest 4.5 sacks. He had 8 as an NFL rookie. Mohritz Boehringer was a story of a crazy size/speed talent who didn't make it. 9.98 RAS. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/moritz-boehringer

Collins is not even a lock to not retire before the season.

Beane's game with fans is to set expectations low under the guise of "shooting straight with them". Then if they exceed the expectations he graciously accepts the accolades. This situation is no different. Game's over next year........when it becomes imperative to convince Allen to sign a new contract extension.

It's ultimately Josh Allen's decision. LA and SF beckon.

It's the inconvenient truth.

This was the "draft before the coach got fired" kinda' draft. Reaching for needs and perceived "readier" prospects to hopefully get immediate contributions. That rarely works. You really need 3-4 individual difference makers and you gotta' take healthy swings at them to get them. They chose not to. They only have 1 difference maker. If Josh Allen breaks his collar bone on opening day running the ball 9.2 times like he did over the course of Brady's run as OC last year.........this team literally has the makings of getting the 1st overall pick in the 2025 draft. They are the 2011 Colts. 2-deep at adequate players that a great QB can elevate to win 10-11 games.........but no individual difference makers.

Could be. I was optimistic about Arthur Moats and he's basically the same guy just 15 years later. Only notable difference physically or in their college production is that Solomon has huge hands. Maybe that's the difference between making it and being a journeyman special-teamer like Moats. Moats was an elite character guy though too, I don't know about Solomon.

Yeah the question then I guess is whether it is better to hate the team or hate yourself(the fan base). The latter is the @PromoTheRobot self loathing, fan-hating specialty. One time he slipped up and sloppy-drunk-posted from a bar going off on the team for being so incompetent and how stupid he was for letting them break his poor heart but usually he stays in character............that the fans are to blame for anything that goes wrong. He's the #1 overall pick of the fan-hater draft but there are ALWAYS a bunch of like minded self-loathers and they usually appear the moment the first draft thread hits the main board, preemptively complaining about future complaining. Fans are not only entitled to their opinions but the entire NFL draft money-making-machine is based on engaging people enough that even millions of fans that don't even follow college football at all in-season suddenly have an opinion about which college football players teams should draft.

Yep it has that 2016 Shaq-Ragnuts-Washington "off-the-bus-starters" draft feel to it. It shouldn't be a total disaster like that one because the players are actually walking off the bus into proven systems........but doesn't feel like they've gotten much juice for their squeeze.

The only thing surer is that some randoms will whine incessantly about posters being unsatisfied with draft selections.

Former Bills comp would be Arthur Moats.

Maybe so but better too much than too little. IMO, they will likely need a couple OL for the 53 that aren't on the roster by the end of August, IMO. And it's a great draft to get some. I expect La'ell Collins to retire in camp like Brandon Shell did last year........Collins was purdy washed the last time he was relatively healthy. What I really doubt they address is QB. But they should. Trubisky is a sh!t show. His confidence and the will to compete looked gone last year.

I know this much, Gabe and Josh Allen were not on the same page a lot last season. Must've worked too hard on it.