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Even that's an issue. It's not like Josh is the type to throw his HC under the bus. I think we attribute things to Josh Allen that we want him to be..........but should probably know better than to presume. We've already had to back off the idea that he was going to work tirelessly like Tom Brady to be the best..........or that he wouldn't let his personal life affect his play on the field in a playoff game etc..

Their employment with the Bills is totally Josh Allen's call at this point.

Ty Johnson is just a guy. He had 132 yards last year, just 4.4 ypc and got injured. It's not like he "broke out"......it was his lowest production season as a pro. The perception of him by Bills fans is that he's a lot better than he is. Dude's been kicking around doing very little for quite a while.

Yeah, what I was saying is Ansah went from raw has could be and only being a defensive player for one season(he was just a special teams guy prior) to being really good right away in the NFL. Boehringer is the opposite.......he is one of the 5 highest RAS score receivers to enter the draft since 1987 and never translated. I do think that it's just A LOT easier to come out of nowhere like Ansah or Jordan Mailata if you are a lineman. Skill position guys typically now are getting a decade plus of year round skill honing prior to entering the league and there is a lot of competition. Big guys who are athletic are always really hard to find so these foreign giants have a greater opportunity to succeed, IMO.

Ziggy Ansah didn't dominate in college. He really only played defense his final year at BYU, when he had a modest 4.5 sacks. He had 8 as an NFL rookie. Mohritz Boehringer was a story of a crazy size/speed talent who didn't make it. 9.98 RAS. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/moritz-boehringer

Collins is not even a lock to not retire before the season.

Beane's game with fans is to set expectations low under the guise of "shooting straight with them". Then if they exceed the expectations he graciously accepts the accolades. This situation is no different. Game's over next year........when it becomes imperative to convince Allen to sign a new contract extension.

It's ultimately Josh Allen's decision. LA and SF beckon.

It's the inconvenient truth.

This was the "draft before the coach got fired" kinda' draft. Reaching for needs and perceived "readier" prospects to hopefully get immediate contributions. That rarely works. You really need 3-4 individual difference makers and you gotta' take healthy swings at them to get them. They chose not to. They only have 1 difference maker. If Josh Allen breaks his collar bone on opening day running the ball 9.2 times like he did over the course of Brady's run as OC last year.........this team literally has the makings of getting the 1st overall pick in the 2025 draft. They are the 2011 Colts. 2-deep at adequate players that a great QB can elevate to win 10-11 games.........but no individual difference makers.

Could be. I was optimistic about Arthur Moats and he's basically the same guy just 15 years later. Only notable difference physically or in their college production is that Solomon has huge hands. Maybe that's the difference between making it and being a journeyman special-teamer like Moats. Moats was an elite character guy though too, I don't know about Solomon.

Yeah the question then I guess is whether it is better to hate the team or hate yourself(the fan base). The latter is the @PromoTheRobot self loathing, fan-hating specialty. One time he slipped up and sloppy-drunk-posted from a bar going off on the team for being so incompetent and how stupid he was for letting them break his poor heart but usually he stays in character............that the fans are to blame for anything that goes wrong. He's the #1 overall pick of the fan-hater draft but there are ALWAYS a bunch of like minded self-loathers and they usually appear the moment the first draft thread hits the main board, preemptively complaining about future complaining. Fans are not only entitled to their opinions but the entire NFL draft money-making-machine is based on engaging people enough that even millions of fans that don't even follow college football at all in-season suddenly have an opinion about which college football players teams should draft.

Yep it has that 2016 Shaq-Ragnuts-Washington "off-the-bus-starters" draft feel to it. It shouldn't be a total disaster like that one because the players are actually walking off the bus into proven systems........but doesn't feel like they've gotten much juice for their squeeze.

The only thing surer is that some randoms will whine incessantly about posters being unsatisfied with draft selections.

Former Bills comp would be Arthur Moats.

Maybe so but better too much than too little. IMO, they will likely need a couple OL for the 53 that aren't on the roster by the end of August, IMO. And it's a great draft to get some. I expect La'ell Collins to retire in camp like Brandon Shell did last year........Collins was purdy washed the last time he was relatively healthy. What I really doubt they address is QB. But they should. Trubisky is a sh!t show. His confidence and the will to compete looked gone last year.

I know this much, Gabe and Josh Allen were not on the same page a lot last season. Must've worked too hard on it.

Yeah this seems like an "off the bus starter" kinda' draft so need seems very relevant to McBeane. Need(and maybe get in this order): Edge IOL CB WR LB RB OT and hopefully a backup QB prospect in there. Don't get too caught up in the numbers.........players will get injured or trades can be made in camp.

I asked Siri

It's paperwork and likely already prepared ahead if the possibility of a trade for a vet had been considered(which it likely has). For all we know everything could be done and agreed to.

Not to my knowledge but we've known about teams agreeing to trade players to specific teams weeks before they were allowed to be traded. Or, as in the case of Aaron Rodgers, his trade to the Jets became a foregone conclusion in February and finalized April 24. June 1st is 36 days away. No reason a place holder pick can't be used. But I think there are less involved machinations. Beane can get to $14M for Aiyuk pretty easy and likely has paperwork in place to address such a scenario immediately.

I think @NoSaint was alluding to this but I've talked about this scenario before with regard to trading Diggs...........the Bills could agree to trade their current pick(s) to the Niners or Seahawks tonight for a future pick(s) of theirs........and then trade it back to them for Aiyuk, Deebo or Metcalf in June. But I also think that Beane can pull some levers fast to make cap space. It's definitely plausible.

Patriots were the big winners, IMO. Love Drake Maye.

That was what I walked away from our draft party thinking. I've often compared the draft to an auction. Sometimes when items are bidding fast and furious it's easy to lose focus. That extra 24 hours allows teams to really think about how much they prioritize a player. I do expect Beane to trade again.

Let me put it this way.........second round "grades" are entirely subjective.........a matter of opinion. I don't take too much away from most teams having a similar number.........I think that's largely group-think........much like with the recruiting process where all the random services seem to come up with about the same number of 5 stars every year. (Around 35 every year, fwiw) Second round picks are an actual thing. Once the draft starts getting into comp picks it gets weird but the first 2 rounds are designed to give everybody 1 chance each and you know it's not going to be any more than 64 total.