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I like Josh with a chip. That's worked out well so far. When he gets to the point of mid-career Brady........where he goes years between performances like the one in the AFCCG last year.........then perhaps it won't matter. But for now, there is still room to grow for a player with such an immense ceiling.......and having doubters has seemed to motivate him.

Your argument was done when you tried to claim that 300# NFL players were not clinically obese (as defined by being 20% over their ideal body weight). Everything else was just you pulling straw men out of your ass. Like me pointing out that less than 2% of the US male population weighed 300# or more versus 20-25% of players on an NFL roster.............and you saying I was comparing accountants to athletes..........when my point clearly was that the demographics do not line up AT ALL. A 300# person who doesn't get any exercise of note isn't just likely to have some underlying health concerns........they may be quite dire. An NFL lineman with 40-60# of extra blubber hanging off his otherwise muscled frame is likely to be in much better condition than a non-athlete of the same weight..........but nonetheless he is still obese and putting a good deal of stress on his body and more likely to be at risk for heart disease and other health disorders than a healthy, fit man at or near his ideal weight.

Nobody is denying that lineman do a lot of strength training. Muscle is a big part of the equation in creating the force to play on the line. But muscle mass also burns a lot of calories..........so in order to also maintain a high % of body fat you can't also be doing cardio like players who require great speed, agility and endurance do. Comparing the training of an interior lineman to that of a CB or WR or RB as you are trying to do is to compare apples and oranges. And thus, so is comparing their physical conditioning.

Again........because you are a chronic over-sharer everyone knows you have a phys ed degree from Jokesonville State.......you're Asian so you can use racial stereotypes liberally........and you are only once-divorced so far. You don't need to keep flexing on us "idiots" about it. None of your accolades precludes the rest of us from knowing that obesity can still cause serious health concerns even for pro athletes. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/19/college-football-deaths-offseason-workouts

https://www.livestrong.com/article/478687-the-effects-of-too-many-calories/ Common sense tells me that 320-330# men aren't able to train hard regularly and hold that weight or and not struggle with lower back, hip/knee/foot issues that could keep them off the field. They do enough to maintain the mass that allows them to do their job. Maintaining that mass leaves them with a lot of extra fat, which is stored as triglycerides which increase their risk of heart failure. You ever notice how the majority of serious cardiac issues reported during training for football are 300# players like Korey Stringer or Jordan McNair? You don't see any correlation between their obesity and their deaths? Interesting, doctor. By all means though, argue for the sake of arguing.

The obese can do athletic things too. I don't want to open the floor for you to stereotype asians again but NFL OL are the US sporting equivalent of Sumo's. I don't care who you are.......consuming 8,000 calories a day all-year-round to simply to hold your weight is not a healthy lifestyle. But force= MASS x acceleration......so being fat is simply a requirement. I'd also add that the perception that these big guys are training hard every day of their 6-7 months off is not reality. Show me a guy whose dragging around 70-80 extra pounds of flesh and training hard every day and I will show you a guy with a bad back and joint problems. They gotta go out on the field and push or block another fat guy for 2-3 seconds 60 times per game with long rest periods between every 4-12 snaps over a 3 hour period. They aren't training to run 6-8 miles per game 3x per week like a basketball player........both pro athletes........very different levels of conditioning. Part of staying fat is being relatively sedentary.

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And for @Thurman#1 you posted a picture of Star in a loose t-shirt to show how svelte he was at the combine in 2013(where he sported an Eisen-esque 5.41 40 time)........well here is him with his belly bursting out of his spanx at Utah months earlier: Being clinically obese goes with the territory of being an NFL OL or space eating DL.

Yep, famous for always carrying a condom in his shirt pocket.

🙋‍♂️ Can we instead turn it into an extension of the "star's are here but Star is not" thread and @Royale with Cheese could deny that Sweeney Tom could have had an underlying medical condition that made him more likely to contract myocarditis..........because after all.......he's a pro athlete not an accountant.

That was the game where Denver got hit with a blizzard on Saturday and much of the team had to be taken to the airport by snowmobile and got into Buffalo very late. The Bills tied the game with a long field goal as regulation expired and I will never forget it because as the ball went thru the uprights, even in all the noise I could hear the ping of my co-season-ticket-holder's eyeglass lens landing on a hard surface to be lost forever. He then had to watch Henning's stupidity with one eye.

Yep.......the Chiefs ran all over the Bills defense in that October game..........and scored just 26 points........which kept the Bills in the game until the final KC drive. The old-school among us have been slow to admit that running the ball can take your passing offense out of rhythm and even limit your own ability to score in many cases. Instead running the ball is seen as some key to take the team to the "next level" offensively. The last 3 AFC representatives in the SB allowed nearly 5 yards per rush........practically inviting teams to run the ball.....and they won 2 of those 3 SB's and were favored by Vegas in the other. I'm not saying their intention was to be bad run defenses.........but like the Bills in that KC game.........they realized that a much greater emphasis needs to be put on pass defense. If that means sacrificing an extra .5 yards per rush to do that then so be it.

To some extent........I agree.........but you gotta' remember @GunnerBill never actually experienced those Bills "winning" seasons. The thing that gets me about that Bryce Brown play is that it was one of several pivotal games the Bills lost to Andy Reid and the Chiefs that may have been the difference between the Bills or Chiefs making the playoffs in both the Marrone and Rex regimes. Even BEFORE the Bills idiotically/fatefully traded that 1st round pick to KC they had years earlier lost a bidding war with KC for Alex Smith........the Chiefs were the Bills second biggest opponent obstacle to success for many years before handing them Mahomes. Those Marrone and Rex games had gravity that is still felt today...........if Andy Reid loses those games to Marrone and Rex he probably does not last long enough to get a chance to draft and develop Mahomes. People forget that the KC fans and media were tiring of Reid's lack of playoff success..........imagine if he hadn't even been making the playoffs.

For most of Thomas' NFL career as a QB his team wanted him to move to TE. He arrived in the NFL as a fatigued prospect.....once perceived as a #1 overall prospect.......but then played so poorly at VA Tech that he was just an athlete a team took a day 3 flyer on. He refused to convert to TE until it was clear he had run out of chances as a QB. Better to hopefully get good TE money than kick around the CFL as a QB for much less than NFL veteran minimum. When he finally relented and the word got out there was almost immediately a bit of a low rollers bidding war to get him. Whaley being a road scout/blue-chip-recruit-ophile wanted him more.......leading to the hilarious 2 day tenure on the Lions PS. I agree entirely on Jason Peters. Great player that a very bad organization just mismanaged. Russ Brandon was totally unqualified to be a GM and Eugene Parker took him to school and Peters ended up getting his old Bills contract ripped to shreds and got PAID. Bills fans were sore at him for it but it was Brandon's fault.

So what was your job at the airport?

Technically, you're both wrong. He played TE in HS.

"Golly......I recognize you fella's........why you're Star Lotulelei........and you're a @Royale with Cheese special"

He was on the Lions practice squad for 2 days.

It's simpler than that. Players who qualified got the unconditional $350K..........those who did NOT got the $150K(and that comes back out of any 2021 salary). If Star, in fact, had two very conflicting test results it's entirely possible that the mere possibility that the poor result might be correct was enough liability risk for the league for him to get the extra $350K in guaranteed pay that he might never have seen(or have had to earn by showing up for offseason activities). Another thing people need to remember..........people are still dying from covid-19.......if Star is in fact at great risk from it and/or if he has chosen not to be vaccinated there is no guarantee he's any safer in a OTA setting than he was last year. Maybe less so as vaxed players may be using less precaution to prevent transmitting a virus they may be carrying unknowingly.

So I already pointed out to you that the 3 teams with the best records in 2020 allowed between 4.5-4.6 ypc...........not good........but also not exceptionally poor. And I also pointed out that the Chiefs allowed 4.9 and won the Super Bowl last year. Those did "absolutely nothing to defend the notion that run defense doesn't matter is not nearly the priority it once was in order to win a title". FIFY So now I will point out that the two SB combatants in the 2018 season.......NE and LA Rams....... allowed 4.9 and 5.1 ypc respectively. The #1 seed in the AFC that year, KC, allowed 5.0 ypc. The three worst rush defenses in the NFL. And that the 2018 AFC champion Patriots allowed 4.9 ypc. All those great teams at the bottom or very close to the bottom of the league in ypc allowed doesn't support my contention about run defense? You could scarcely be any MORE wrong. This is the new NFL "Logic". You can complain all you want about HOW I respond to your nonsense.........but make no mistake........it is what it is.

Mmmkay, yeah. Which can bring us back to my first take..........cardiac issues are very broadly defined. Since Star's opt out was reportedly based on a test that gave very conflicting results we don't even know if he was at a higher risk than any other 300# PLUS player in the NFL. But we accept it as fact because he was allowed to opt out and collect that $350K..........a figure well below league veteran minimum and therefore not much of an incentive for a motivated NFL player to accept rather than play. That's fine with me..........as I said........he sucked the last time he was on the field 17 months ago.........he was NOT missed last year, IMO and I see little left for him to offer for the $10M he has coming in guaranteed Beane-bucks.

Less than 2% of the general population of adult males in the US weigh 300# or more. What would you say that % is on an NFL team? 11 - 13 out of 53? So 20-25%. Yeah..........thanks for your assistance with my larger point. And congratulations on combining "he became a freak about nutrition" with "going to Chipotle to get two burrito bowls at 9:30 at night" and selling the latter as PROOF of the former.

I'm an aware that you present yourself as a medical expert.......at least on the internet.........but before bothering to go thru all of those pointless gymnastics and THEN have you decide that they have little bearing on the topic.........what % of players do you presume would have qualified as being at a higher than normal risk..........thus qualifying for the $350K non-refundable opt out? That's what we are talking about here. The only point I am making with regard to the general medical aspect of the opt outs is that obesity is considered to put one at a much higher risk for any number of diseases/afflictions. That is generally accepted as fact. If you are basing your need to argue that point on some straw man devised by Royale then you are wasting your time.

If you think these 300# guys are in great physical condition because they are being paid to play football I suggest you read up on Matt Birk. He was considered a very athletic lineman and yet even in the offseason he had to one-foot walk down stairs and couldn't go on walks with his family because it was too exhausting. He dropped 75 pounds and now he is running marathons. These dudes operate athletically in a relative phone booth. They are not necessarily in good cardiovascular condition. If you want to debate the point provide actual counterpoints. If you are so certain there only 2 players in the NFL that have diabetic/insulin issues that you declare it as FACT then at least NAME them. Show some kind of work instead of just insisting that obese people aren't more susceptible to disease concerns.........because that position is medically accepted as fact.

1) Honestly, the question was so unrelated to what I actually said that I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he misread it. He could have addressed that, he chose not to because he knew his question was chaff with a hat. 2) As I said earlier.........according to the AHA........more than 1/3 of adult males have heart disease. Now add in all of the other health risk factors.......and non-heart related afflictions like diabetes......... involved with being a 300# NFL OL and you have a recipe for a very large amount of people who could have opted out. I could straw man YOU here and say.........."you are saying that nobody with underlying medical conditions did NOT opt out"..........but the reality is that even you and @Royale with Cheese know that there were inevitably MANY more players with them that played than with them that opted out. It's a statistical certainty. If you want to continue to argue.........I will continue to make fun of each of your illogical takes. And as with your predecessor in this argument.........refrain from calling people or their takes stupid or idiotic etc.......non-descript, de-humanizing terms are unproductive for advancing discussion.........that's just a sign that you are out of control with your anger. Keep it together.