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Here's Noah Spence then getting released after getting zero sacks that season! https://www.bucsnation.com/2019/8/31/20842517/buccaneers-waive-noah-spence-2019

Targets also don't mean he was open. Meh on Aaron Brooks. Career passer rating in the mid-70's........like Flutie and Bledsoe...and less than the oft-injured Rob Johnson. All were decent enough passers to throw jump balls to Moulds whose skills steadily eroded after a brief peak in 1998. Far too much is made about the lack of quality QB that Moulds had in his prime. People remember who Jim Kelly, Doug Flutie and Drew Bledsoe were because they were all at least pretty good and Rojo could really light it up at times. By the time Moulds got to JP Losman level QB play he was running in cement. A lot of Bills fans were tuned out of the league during the Seahawks run but you couldn't write the history of the NFL in that period without Lynch. From the "Beastquake" to the huge rushing seasons and playoff dominance to Seattle not giving the ball to him at the goal line against the Pats in the SB.........he was a pivotal player.

Nah, beef is too lean for the job. Pretty sure the Bar-Bill wings with blue cheese are about 300 calories apiece though.

Yep, makes sense. It's well known that summer and training camp is the best time to put on weight.

The people who have been selling Star as an impact returnee to the team......and have been upset by the assumptions that he won't be at least "the same" quality......are desperate for anything to latch onto. Big Star is now Little Star. We will see how that goes.

Disagree on Moulds being a HOF talent or that he didn't get enough chances to produce because of the Bills QB play. If anything the Bills QB's fed him the ball a bit too much at times. He had 3rd, 4th and 10th NFL rankings in targets during the lamented 2000-2004 years when he was still good.......including 180 in 2002. He was given a ton of opportunities. The player he is most comparable too in style and production is Joe Horn. Horn got a later start than Moulds but caught more TD's and had a higher ypc. Their primes are similar. Also similar style, but Horn is more memorable because of his TD celebrations and now having a son in the league. Horn didn't have great QB play either. The best players from the drought actually ended up on different teams. Jason Peters is a HOF'er. And Marshawn Lynch has a much better chance at the HOF than any drought era Bill other than Peters.

Another Star Ukulele thread?

Yeah if you were an adult at the time you should probably have remembered that he kept the Bills team attorney very busy early in his career and the talk going into camp in 1998 wasn't if Moulds would break out it was if the Bills were going to cut him. A lot of the Moulds worshippers on here were a little too young at the time to know about what a low-life he was off the field. The incident with the assault on the female........he reportedly had her lifted off her feet by the neck. IMO his 1998 season was the most dominant performance by a Bills WR ever though........IMO even more dominant than Diggs last season........he was big, fast, quick and powerful. But he wasn't smart about training either........he kept putting on muscle and his legs got heavy and he lost speed, quickness and flexibility.

Morrissey sees Bills reporters noting that the backup QB looks good. What Morrissey doesn't see is that the reporters frame of reference for backup QB for the past 2.5 seasons has been Matt Barkley. Unless he saw Bills reporters claiming Trubisky could carry the Bills to the SB if Josh Allen went down........and nobody should reasonably think that..........then there was actually nothing for him to see here. But Bills fans will no doubt barrage him with emails.........which is wise because it's well known that the more you ignore Morrissey the closer he gets.

Important to note that Moulds was on 3 playoff teams in his first 4 seasons.......he just didn't show up to play until year 3. The lamented years of 2000-2004.....after which Moulds fell off a cliff..........he actually had more passes thrown to him than Tory Holt. Holt came into the league ready to go. He put 1800 more yards in his first two seasons than Moulds did in his. Just a better player, WR, teammate and person. There is no comparison with Marvin Harrison in terms of talent.........he was an elite route runner with great speed. Moulds was a hack by comparison. Johnson and Bledsoe actually played perfectly into Moulds game as a guy who just liked to run deep routes but also required a QB who would just throw it up for grabs because Moulds often could not separate. A guy like Peyton Manning would not have appreciated having to throw passes into harms way to cater to Moulds. I don't think any of the players during "the drought" were very personally harmed by being on a bad team. Aaron Schobel probably would have put up more sacks and gotten more press on a good team.........but he called it quits 2-3 years too soon so it shouldn't be a big lament of fans.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High The Beastmaster Just One of the Guys They were seemingly always on HBO or Cinemax in the 80's so whether you were home or at someone's house these movies were always on tv on the weekends. Haven't seen the last two on TV in years but Fast Times is still on a lot. I don't multi-watch movies much anymore but Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is on non-stop now on Show or Starz and it is a great movie so I've seen that quite a few times.

2010 was one of Williams best years statistically but when you watched the line play he was just not getting the job done. The holes in the run game were enormous. 8 times opponents ran for 200 or more yards against that defense. They were obviously the worst rush defense in the league. The infamous Steelers game(Stevie Johnson and the birth of "Bills Mafia") was the signature performance for Williams that year........he was constantly plowed out of the way in the run game and yet had a career day statistically.

No question that Nix and Whaley weren't as QB-fortunate as McDermott and Beane. For McDermott to not pick a QB in his first draft in 2017............using the fundamentally flawed logic that they didn't have time to evaluate them()..........and literally trade away the chance to select Mahomes or Watson and then STILL get a chance at Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson the very next draft was incredibly fortuitous. Effectively trading Mahomes to a conference rival was probably the most regrettable and worst player transaction that the organization has ever or will ever make. But as you said..........Buddy had A chance with Wilson........he missed. You could also argue that Kaepernick was a missed chance. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you get two good chances or only one.........you gotta' get a QB or your body of work is going to look bad.

Phillips did line up at NT some at Stanford but the function of a NT is usually to draw a double and if not to push the center back into the QB. Phillips was always working to get off blocks. He was really quite dominant at Stanford. His last season he had almost 100 tackles. A guy who can anchor and also make those plays fills the bill. And a third round pick on that type of player is definitely a sign that you see that guy as a very good starter down the line, IMO. Playmaking NT's like Damon Harrison are rare........I never saw Phillips as capable of being an NFL NT. The 1 tech is literally positioned to be a 1 gap player. He doesn't have run responsibility on both sides(2 gap) like a single blocked NT would so when he is single blocked he needs to fill that gap and get in the backfield. Dareus was great at the job.....All Pro under Schwartz and was doing excellent work for McDermott. If you singled him he would blow thru the center/guard gap and blow up the play......if you doubled him he could anchor and still actually get off a block and impact the run game. Cover 1 also had some good stuff on Dareus as a 1 tech for McD early in the 2017 season. As for KW.........he was horrendous as a NT. Edwards might have tilted him to 1 or 2 tech at times but he just wasn't physically capable of absorbing doubles and he would get pushed one way or another and once out of position he would then just revert to shooting gaps rather than do nothing. Sometimes he would make a tackle but most of the time he left huge gaping holes. That whole transition to the 3-4 was ridiculous after years of Jauron drafting to stock a Tampa-2 system. They didn't have a body who could play NT or even 1 tech well.

Getting the QB as soon as possible should have been common sense. Watching them march Edwards back out there and hearing the excuse that they were going to use "that season" to evaluate the roster was disheartening. That roster had been evaluated for 3 years prior. All they needed to do was watch the tape. But there are always fans who want to draft a RB in round 1 or nod in agreement when a Marv Levy says that he plans to draft for need.

I've given Beane plenty of props but the fact remains that he had a VERY poor start in pro personnel. The money they wasted then is costing them now. They have their QB on a rookie contract and yet they are in a much tighter cap spot than they should be. This has prevented them from making big moves this offseason. They are going to have to bridge the gap with KC and try to stay ahead of the rest of the pack with what they have and the modest additions they've made. It can be done. New England did it that way for most of Brady's last dozen years with the team.

Real estate in your head is going cheap. Your argument is literally that I am wrong about Edmunds lack of big plays because I UNDERSTATED them? Cool. I hope Edmunds wins NFL DPOY...........but he will have to make a much greater impact than he has so far. It could happen...........Roquan Smith made a HUGE improvement at MLB last year.............but it's less than likely, for sure.

Yeah Nix came out the box firing blanks..........unfortunately, so did Beane. The differences.........Beane had a capable HC in place........he had a better talent base(as I said at the time they took a 10-6 team to camp in 2017)..........and most important of all he went out and got a QB right away. Nix made the excuse that he wanted to build the roster up before taking his swing at a franchise QB........now granted, he and Whaley left better talent behind than Jauron/Brandon had for Nix but you don't put off getting your QB.

The Kelvin Benjamin trade and then keeping him for $8M hit in 2018, the pre-mature Eric Wood extension that cost them $10M in cap room, giving McCoy $2M bonus for no reason, the entire 2018 free agent class(Star, Vontae, Kroft, Murphy etc..). Can't forget $3.5M and a draft pick try out Corey Coleman for a week. They burned so much cap room that first 18 months that they are still paying for it today. A lot was made about Beane creating the greatest amount of dead money in NFL history and how it wasn't his fault..........but the moves at the beginning of his tenure burned even more money than that. On junk players. Whether he even got good mileage out of the Watkins and Darby trades is even debatable. Watkins pick was used to trade UP a few spots to get Edmunds. The Darby pick has netted Harrison Phillips.......who hasn't really panned out yet. And the Dareus trade caused the run defense to fall off a cliff and helped flip the Jags from worst run defense to near the top and they beat the Bills in the playoffs and reached the AFCCG. The panic from the defensive collapse soon after the Dareus trade is why they still owe Star Lotulelei $10M+. As I said........Beane has gotten better. I think he's still had some glaringly sloppy errors with the finances that have kept them out of making major improvements this offseason. Keeping Murphy last season cost them a bunch of cap room this season. The Star "pay cut" and keep has blown up in their face. Keeping Addison AND Butler this time around both seemed incredibly generous of him.

I don't think the Pats would have been able to use him well. The Titans were the best fit for him. Also a very easy transition because that offense is not complex.......a lot of play action and deep shot opportunities. A lot can can happen, but on paper, this elevates them considerably for this season. Either way, the Bills just gotta' be the best version of themselves. The AFC was going to be tough one way or another.

Agree about Edmunds........he has played far below his talent level at MLB. But Oliver has been mostly used as a 3 tech. He's played *some* 1 tech but not much. One of the common misconceptions on this board is that the Bills always line up with a DT in the 1 tech position. They will go to double 3 techs on obvious passing downs as well and if they play all season with the killer instinct on offense that they displayed AFTER the Arizona game they may find themselves in position to use pass rushers at both DT's more often.

I was only talking about what pertains to the NFL DPOY. Simple as that. I was aware of his lack of impact in the playoffs as well............it's not the first time I've cited his lack of big plays..........they are just not relevant to the DPOY discussion. You were ignorant of the fact that only regular season stats count toward a regular season award like NFL DPOY. That's common knowledge........ignorance is not a defense. College and HS stats don't count toward it either, btw.😘

Tannehill is a very good deep ball thrower though.

He wasn't cut out to be a GM. But neither was Buddy Nix. Nix was a road scout without the executive chops to do the job but Ralph knew him and he would take the job. I don't think it's surprising that Nix hired another road scout to be his successor. Beane is not a scout. He was head coffee-fetcher for many years under Gettlenutz before they let him dip his toes into the personnel end in 2015-2016. But being in the Smithers role as DoFO he learned how to run the entire organization. It was important for the Bills to not have the GM duties essentially split between Whaley and Russ Brandon.......that dynamic was causing a lot of dysfunction. The HC and the President were both stepping on the GM's toes and Whaley let them and now he thinks he can point the finger. Doesn't work that way. But Beane's pro personnel moves were awful in his first 18 months. Once he got the personnel men around him he needed the results have been a lot better. But the reason he is viewed as a success with personnel is because of A) Josh Allen and B) Sean McDermott. Whaley's tenure was chaotic but the personnel work they did wasn't the issue. They had plenty of talent. What they didn't have was the QB and the structure that McDermott has built to bring out results from the talent that they have.

Meh.........Whaley had Beane-like support on TSW for most of his tenure.