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The difference is that Saban is committed to being a successful HC. Urban is committed to Urban..........he will run the Jags however he sees fit and that will keep the owner in some hot water with the rest of the league...........and if he doesn't win the owner won't be able to take the heat he will have to pay Urban to leave. That's an Urban win-win scenario. A bit more like the Bills hiring Rex Ryan or Washington hiring Steve Spurrier than the Saban comp, IMO. Feigning a health crisis like he did at both Ohio State and Florida so he could keep his money without having to quit and seem accountable for his misconduct won't be as necessary in the pros...........though I wouldn't rule it out!

Agreed, for $3.5M in 2021 I'd think he'd have multiple suitors that aren't remotely interested in trading for him for $8.5M.

Yeah me citing "salary" was a poor choice of words......the actual issue is the cap hit. Jonnu Smith signed a free agent deal that would average $12.5M (if he saw all of it)............but his cap hit in the distressed cap year of 2021 is a mere $5.6M. Paying Ertz $3M more than Jonnu in 2021 isn't something many teams would do.......they appear to be going in different directions in their careers. So you could "try" to re-structure Ertz......but he is a free agent next year.........he would have little incentive to sign a cheap extension to help out your cap. If you trade for him you are probably using all of that $8.5M in cap space on him for just one season..........why should he take a pay cut in a scenario where he is traded and doesn't get to test the market? I suppose it's possible but I also don't really see the Eagles taking on the salary of Addison or Butler in exchange for a 7th round pick.........the Eagles had the 3rd most sacks in the NFL in 2020.........DL is a strength.......they don't have a need to take on one of the Bills bad contracts there. A good portion of the reasoning to move Ertz is just to save cap room.

Kelly wasn't wrong about McCoy.........they ran the ball very well without him in 2015 and made Shady eat crow when they shut him down in Philly by designing a gameplan to encourage Shady to bounce everything outside. Which he, of course did. An inexcusable loss to a fast fading Eagles team. But Kelly found out that it's hard to succeed running a dictatorship in the NFL..........especially if you don't have any rings like Belichick to prove what you are doing is going to work. Time and again in the NFL you see disciplinarian coaches run their course when players get frustrated with the demands..........and then players coaches stepping in and reaping the benefits of a well conditioned, hard nosed and then suddenly happy team. That's basically how the Eagles won the SB. They even ran chips RPO stuff in the playoffs/SB that had made Foles into a 26 TD 2 INT QB in one season under Chip. They got fat and happy quickly under Peterson though........his lack of attention to detail was the exact opposite of Kelly......and that's how it goes sometimes. Fortunately for us, Sean McDermott seems to be a more sustainable brand of HC. A detail oriented coach who demands hard work but has a lot of emotional intelligence to help keep the team in both good condition physically and mentally.

If they think he has value in trade then I don't blame them at all. My opinion is that his $8.5M salary is more than he would get on an awful open market for players........and that........combined with the awful season he had and his advancing age.......negates that trade value entirely. But it only takes one team to see it otherwise. They don't owe him his release and Howie Roseman just got them a SB trophy a few seasons back so I certainly wouldn't scrutinize Beane for tryna' get something for a fan-fave former stud TE if his stewardship had put a Lombardi in the trophy case at OBD. Roseman is just trying to make his team better...........I don't think he has asked or Ertz has offered money back after his very poor season last year.........this is logical, standard business, IMO. Best case scenario for us Bills fans........they cut him and the Bills sign him as a UFA for A LOT less.

Kelly traded McCoy because he wouldn't do what the coaching staff in Philly was asking him to do...........which was to be a more straight ahead runner and take the abundantly available yards inside. Shady had a habit of dancing in the backfield and then trying to bounce the play outside..........Kelly explained that in post trade comments that inflamed McCoy and made him pull the race card. (Kelly subsequently replaced McCoy with two other veteran RB's.......neither of them not black) His tendency to try to end every run on the sideline lead to inconsistency for the Eagles offense in Kelly's opinion...........and it lead to McCoy having the fewest yards per touch of any qualifying player in the NFL in 2014 (6.3) because LB's were getting smaller and faster and he was losing some speed. The stubborn McCoy then came to Buffalo and in 2015 he refused to take the inside runs that the Roman offense was giving him.........same as he had done in 2014 in Philly. After a brutal 2015 season he admitted that he was leaving too many yards on the field and needed to run the plays as they were drawn up(as the other, less talented RB's in Buffalo had been doing). That's how his big 2016 season happened. But no, he wasn't traded just so that Kelly could get Alonso........McCoy was put on the block by Kelly because he wasn't being coachable.

I've linked and quoted the story many times on here. It's old news. If you want to think it's crap I really couldn't care less. Have you ever heard Terry Pegula talk about being at a specific game in the 1980's? Me neither. Better yet do you remember when I posted on here about that fight at Hammer's Lot after the Tampa game...........and literally everyone here who had comment insisted I was lying.........and you were the only other one who actually saw it? Yeah. I don't post lies. Here's the more important aspect of the article you linked........"lifelong Sabres fan".....but......."Detroit Lions fan". So get exercised if you want........regardless of which story is true TPegs has been invested in the Sabres for a whole lot longer than he was the Bills...........and he's gone WAY THE ***** out of his way to promote youth and amateur hockey. Football? Notsomuch. Only a fool would deny his love of hockey.

I have no idea if they would sell the team..........I have heard Paul Hamilton say that the Pegula's now regret giving Beane and McDermott total control of the Bills though........which is a little concerning considering that the Bills are just a couple notches from being the best team in the NFL and the Sabres are absolutely the worst run organization in hockey(and possibly all 4 of the major north american pro sports). In the end, they are their toys and understanding that I don't necessarily tie my entertainment entirely to the end results. I greatly appreciate them keeping the two teams in WNY because the Sabres are barely even viable and the Bills could be worth a lot more in another market. But losing will always lead to criticism.

Show me the stubs........I got my info from the news media as well...........and the quote from Kim in THAT story was "the traffic was too bad" for them to attend games when they lived in OP. So while there may be inconsistency in the stories they've told about the Bills............and of how they became husband and second wife..........Terry Pegula being a big hockey fan has been the consistent story...........and the fact that he funded the construction of the ice rink at Penn State indicates that his love for the game extended beyond just a specific pro sports team.

It's not strange. Ralph Wilson was a terrible football team owner..........he didn't know how to build a winner......he was meddlesome, mercurial and prone to decisions made in anger.........but he still ran into a few good decisions. The best bold decision he ever made in the post merger era was actually paying the going rate for Chuck Knox.........then he stupidly ran Chuck Knox out of town......but was too cheap to fire all the former LA Rams personnel people in the front office that Knox had brought with him and they ended up scouting and drafting the foundation of those SB teams and developing a young Bill Polian etc.. A decision to save money accidentally lead to about 12 years of good football.......the only sustained stretch where it looked like Ralph had a clue. The Pegula's had no idea how to build winning organizations in pro sports either.....which was predictable.......they were entirely new to it. The problem with the hockey end is that they haven't accepted that they are clueless there yet. The Bills were different........they hadn't ever attended a Bills game in OP in person until they bought the team........and they lived in OP!.......they clearly were very casual fans. They were desperate to hand the reigns to the Bills off to someone when they hired McDermott because they knew they didn't know sh*t about football and it was pretty clear that when you fail at football you become a national laughingstock. They wanted to avoid that kind of scrutiny. With hockey, Terry Pegula grew up a big hockey fan and thinks he knows a lot about the sport........and when you lose in the NHL nobody from outta' town really notices........so the chaos will likely continue until the family either accepts their limitations as hockey ops decision makers........or runs into good fortune.

@YoloinOhio pondering the impact of this allegation on Urban Liar's myriad and all 100% legitimate health concerns

1) Regarding your first paragraph......you are of course correct that most runs result in a "some" gain of yardage. Last season the average carry netted 4.4 yards. But "some" is not a specific yardage number........a TFNG = exactly 0 yards gained. Your team may only run for zero gain 3 times in a game but they aren't likely to run for any other exact yardage amount......positive or negative......... more often than they run for exactly zero. 2) TFNG are valuable......one yard more valuable than a tackle for 1 yard gain......2 yards more valuable than a TF2YG.......3 yards more valuable than a 1 yard sack. As I've said, stats like TFL and sacks are broad and they don't ALWAYS reflect exceptional individual performance........but if a player gets a lot of them it's fair to assume that player is doing exceptional work. I pointed out two other MLB's that had 18 TFL each last year........Edmunds had only 4. That's a very big difference. 3) MLB is ABSOLUTELY a devalued position........much like the RB position, you need one but you don't need a star quality one. And just like Derrick Henry is a playmaking difference maker at RB.......a guy like Devin White can be that at MLB. Tremaine Edmunds.........despite physically being the "Derrick Henry of MLB's".......an absolute freak........has not been a game changing, playmaking, difference making MLB. He's been above average in a league where there aren't many above average MLB's......and a league where there don't need to be. Average is fine at that position. Average is NOT fine at pass rusher..........and that is a position that Edmunds seems to project much better too.

No, they aren't. It's just typical "apologist speak".........people like @eball exaggerate the criticisms to make them seem unfair.

Well put. If he were a 6'1" tall 235# 4th round pick his performance would look a lot better by comparison. He's a lot more talented and invested-in than that. Maybe he puts it together in 2020 and starts looking like a difference maker..........or maybe the wear and tear of the middle continues the 2020 trajectory and takes him the other way.........we shall see.

It's polarized because he has such obvious physical talent......was assigned to a de-valued position and has made only a modest impact.......and so much was invested in him (and continues to be with the enormous fully guaranteed 5th year option the team was compelled to pick up). My contention from the start was that it was a gamble putting the top pass rushing prospect from that 2018 draft at MLB. The Bills thought they had re-invented the wheel with Edmunds..........but MLB's traditionally are a physical reflection of the RB position for a reason.........that's why you don't have guys with edge player physical profiles like Edmunds and Greg Rousseau playing MLB. It absolutely hasn't worked out as planned. In fact, I think they've been lucky that he's remained as healthy as he has in the middle. And, in the meantime, they haven't had a reliable pass rusher. Yes, Devin White and Roquan Smith had 18 TFL's last year..........they totally outclassed Edmunds and their more traditional physical stature and RB-like instincts are why.............but if Edmunds had been used as an edge all this time I suspect his profile would look like that of a MUCH more valuable player than White or Smith.

There's also only one forum member here who was fired from the secretary pool at One Bills Drive in the spring of 1983. We'd love to hear your side of the story.

I think the objective on defense is actually to get a turnover..........forcing a punt is nice but turnover differential is an incredibly decisive stat. You can really go down a rabbit hole picking situations where a TFNG "on one down" is as good or better than a TFL or sack "on another down". On the same down a TFL or sack is always as good or better than a TFNG. Negative plays are viewed as a reflection of exceptional individual play while TFNG's usually happen with 4-6 defenders on the same plane and don't necessarily require anyone to defeat a block. We know all negative plays don't necessary represent an extraordinary play by the person credited with the stat either.......sometimes a guy lucks into a garbage sack etc............but if you get 18 TFL's like Smith and White each did then you are doing something very right.........and if you get just 4, like Edmunds, you are more than unlucky.

Sounds like Gilmore and the Pats should keep some Donny 2-ply in the off-hand.

Look at the probability issue this way: 1) A tackle for no gain focuses ONLY on one specific yard of the field. It's a much more specific stat than a TFL. Not going to argue over "zero" so let's just say there approximately 100 individual potential yardage outcomes on a handoff. A run for -11 and a run for +72 yards are both on the rare end of that range......but just like a TFNG each of those are 1 specific possible yardage outcome of a handoff from the middle of your own end of the field. 2) You can only be tackled where there are tacklers. The only area of the field where there are always a lot of tacklers for the RB to evade is right at the LOS. So while you may have a wide assortment of yardage outcomes on 25 handoffs in a game.......and the vast majority of them will be for a gain......the MOST LIKELY of all possible specific yardage gained results on run plays in general is going to be zero. You can say I am de-valuing a tackle for no gain.........but I don't think so........they are going to happen FREQUENTLY regardless. And not even so much on first down like you are talking about.......a lot of times on 2nd and short, 3rd and short.......goal line.....teams practically run themselves into no-gain outcomes all the time. And those don't necessarily prove a lot about the individual talent on either side of the ball. And one of the reasons statisticians don't value a net zero play as much as a negative play is because tackles at the LOS often don't require a great deal of individual skill. If the DL ties up their gaps and just leaves a narrow space to run or forces a runner horizontal for the free flowing LB SHOULD make the tackle every time. An open field tackle is often a much higher degree of difficulty. As such.......negative plays begin with run TFL's and escalate in importance into sacks and turnovers. We isolate them because we know the statistical importance of forced negative plays in the outcome of games.

LOL...no Football players have the option of an easy academic workload almost everywhere.......but the U generally has a top 50 US rank as far as academic reputation. Very wealthy and relatively exclusive private school that sees itself more like Princeton-south than a football factory. That has been, without question, the primary problem with advancing the football program. They only want to be passively successful in sports.........it would be distasteful to try hard like some "state" school.

When you play a De-VALUED position and the team trades into the middle of round one to select you........you are going to be held to a similar standard as a VALUED position player who is selected at the very top of the draft would be. Fair or not. I loved the pick/player but not as a MLB. The Kuechly thing was more of an after-the-fact comparison...........I think people expected him to be BETTER than Kuechly because he's more of a specimen than Kuechly was.........the comp for Edmunds was Brian Urlacher. Urlacher had 18.5 sacks and 44 TFL in his first 3 seasons.........and he had been a safety in college not a MLB. The strength of Edmunds game has just been playing most of the games.........that's it.........he's accumulated tackle stats like his predecessor Preston Brown(well, almost. Preston lead the NFL in tackles in 2017).. But like Preston he has been rather pedestrian other than those bulk tackle numbers.

So the Bills DL has been the second best in the NFL at keeping their MLB clean the past 3 years? Awesome! 😉 Statistically, the most likely place for a RB to be tackled on any given play is at the LOS. If you are a volume tackler who is on the field every week for 3 straight seasons that number is going to be high. But comparable off-ball LB's Roquan Smith and Devin White had 18 TFL last year. Tremaine Edmunds had just 4.....which is VERY unimpressive.........over 200 defenders had more. And he only has 19 total TFL in his three year career. TFL + TFNG is just adding a small figure that represents big impact to a BIG number that represents participation.......and then pretending that it's all high impact. The low TFL number is just one of MANY numbers that reflect Edmunds' lack of instinctiveness as an off-ball LB.

Ozone is the best sanitizer/deodorizer. If you really want to save it just leave it open out in the sun for a few weeks. This also works for Bills gear that you don't want to ruin by over-washing.

If it's got a handle on top it's a lunch box. RIP lunch box.

Correct. That is a lunch box.