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Happless gave you bad info........Barkley can't simply be released at no cost.........the Giants are stuck with his $7M either way..........so there is NO leverage to be used against Barkley or his agent in an upcoming deal. Now if you are Barkley........you hope to reproduce your rookie year numbers and sign a 4 year $60M deal with $30M guaranteed after the 2022 season. You don't want to venture a guess because you want to live in the land of make believe. What kind of compromise do Barkley and his agent agree to make to get "a new deal or an extension"? Let's say 3 year extension @$30M would be the basis........2/3 of the value at 3/4 of the length. The guaranteed money would be the $7M guaranteed in 2022.......converted to signing bonus.........plus half the value of the other 3 years @ $10M per ($15M). That could get his cap hit down to a manageable $2.5M-$3M in 2022 before exploding in subsequent years and leaving you with more than $20M in guarantees left. So do you want to guarantee $22M total to a RB who hasn't produced for 2 years........with a long injury history? It's an absurd notion.

You are giving @Alphadawg7's goofy idea a lot of false hope. "Beginning with 2018 first-round picks, the fifth-year salary is fully guaranteed when the option is exercised. A player's fourth-year base salary will also become fully guaranteed at the time the option year is picked up, if it wasn't already." -Apr 21, 2021

Trading Beasley doesn't save any cap space at all that cutting him wouldn't........his dead money is all in unaccrued signing bonus that the Bills can't shake...........NONE of the rest of his money is guaranteed like Barkley's so it's not even remotely a trade match......it's apples and oranges. And the Giants are right up against the cap.......just $13,000 below it actually😆..........so can't really see them taking on Beasley's $6.1M in trade and THEN asking him to re-do the deal. If the Giants eat all of Barkley's $7M except for the league miniumum.........then he has modest value.........maybe a 5th-7th round pick if he can pass a physical. But why would they pay him to go away like that? He's in his walk year. It's in the interest of both parties that he stay and produce as much as he can.

One of the spicy aspects is that what does it say about McDermott's relationship with his offensive coaches if they want to leave success, stability and Josh Allen to join Brian Daboll in a very difficult situation in NY? Let's face it.........that Giants team has a losing culture..........the talent isn't good enough.........the salary cap situation is awful........the odds of a previously thrice fired OC like Daboll making it past 3 years in NY, objectively, gotta' be less than 20%. Perhaps much less. Personally, as a Hurricanes fan I've never really warmed to Dorsey. He was a weak link on what many consider the greatest collection of talent a college football team has ever had.........he choked in the second national championship game against an inferior opponent.........he hasn't exactly torn it up as an NFL coach, he's basically relied on the goodness of his Carolina connections. The idea that me might turn his back on a promotion with McBeane. LOL. I was not at all thrilled about the prospect of him being the OC at the U.......let alone with the Bills. But all that being said........you never know until you see the guy actually calling plays.

It did seem kinda' odd that Beane made that comment about retaining all their people though. Seemed like they knew there was going to be an attempt at lateral poaching. And yes........I am sure Beane would consider Dorsey passing on the Bills OC job to take a different OC job as a lateral move. Would definitely add some spice and entertainment to the offseason and already hateful relationship many Bills fans have with the Giants(particularly victims of SBXXV and middle staters who share territory with Giants fans) if they ended up fighting over it. Honestly, IMO there are typically and abundance of coaches available and capable of being a good OC when they have a great QB like Josh Allen..........but there is always uncertainty when choosing a new one.

The presumption is that the Bills were offering the same promotion to OC. Otherwise, who cares if he leaves? Remember..........McDermott and Beane brought Dorsey to Buffalo.........he wasn't a Daboll connection..........they worked with him in Carolina and interviewed him for the Bills OC position in 2017.

Interviewing and actually leaving for the same position being offered by the team they are under contract to are two different things. If the Bills retained and promoted Dorsey all along with the stated intention of him assuming Daboll's role..........as Josh Allen's opinion seemed to be.............and instead Dorsey and Daboll had conspired too leave together all along, denying the Bills a chance to groom a successor.........I could see Beane exercising their rights to the fullest.

The last I knew it still was. And that's assuming that the Bills themselves aren't offering him the OC position.............which would thereby be lateral by definition not just by past league rules..............in which case they would almost certainly let him leave without compensation improve his coaching position.

And Beane has said that they plan to retain all of their people........which sounded like they weren't going to just let people make lateral moves. I believe Dorsey is under contract and leaving would be a lateral move which the Bills must approve...........perhaps they are even talking compensation with the Giants. There could be a lot of different things going on.

Oh really? What would that contract look like to you? If Barkley were cut today.........he would clear waivers and become a free agent because of that $7M+ guaranteed contract. He has ZERO trade value. The only way he gets traded is if the Giants eat all but the league minimum portion of his contract. Any new deal he gets from another team will START with $7M in guarantees. The Bills are a bit tight for cap space...........they would likely have to spread a deal with him over 3 years or more to get him in for a $2M type cap hit..........which begs the question "why would Barkley accept two cheap years added to his contract?". He would not. His goal is to collect his $7M...........have a big year.........and hit free agency. Trading him doesn't make sense for either the Giants or Barkley at this point..........they might as well roll with him.

His salary is FULLY GUARANTEED for 2022. Do you understand what that means? They cut him.........he still gets paid. He has no motivation to "re-do" his deal without guaranteeing him $7M...........nobody is doing that at this point with a RB. Ask Leonard Fournette.........an equally "generational" RB talent. He will cost the Giants capital to get rid of.

That was a lot of wasted time. With a $7M plus cap hit......coming off two lost seasons............Barkley is less than worthless in trade to any NFL team.

Another Sabres loss and Seattle win away from 3rd place in the lottery...........but Philly is coming on fast.

More crossers and work over the middle in general sounds good on paper..........but when your QB throws seeds like Josh Allen........being just a little off can lead to turnovers. I'm fairly certain this is why they've operated that way since Allen got here. Nobody is more aware of this than Sean McDermott.......whose defense is built around the idea of causing those kinds of turnovers on tips and overthrows. Now if you have Tom Brady or even the now version of Aaron Rodgers(man has he lost a lot of mobility).........then you gotta' throw those passes into the middle of the field and try to get non-RAC guys lots of RAC yards by leading them to daylight to put the ball in the end zone. The Bills do not have to do that with the multi-dimensional Allen.........they can afford to not get RAC and still score a bunch against most opponents. But they'd be better with A LOT more RAC when the get in shootouts with guys like Mahomes and Burrow(with his unreal WR corps). So how do you get more RAC while not exposing your offense to more turnovers? Adding an explosive, quick and fast target to fill in the gaps between Diggs short route mastery and Davis long-striding deep ball capability. With all due respect to Diggs, he was never the kind of player I am talking bout............and he is by far the Bills most explosive player in the receiving corp right now.

There is no difference between shown and proven in this instance...........you are cowering behind the vagueness. Isaiah McKenzie put up 177 yards receiving on the season...........and after his "Duke Williams" game with both Beasley and Davis out in New England he put up just 6 receptions for 63 yards in his last 4 games while getting that more "extensive" role. That's another sub 300 yard season pace. You have irrational faith in Isaiah McKenzie like some had with Duke Williams..........you aren't going to own it........you'd rather look ignorant by making statements like he's shown he can be a faster version of Cole Beasley(who has proven he could take a high volume beating and keep producing for a decade). I like McKenzie too............I'd keep him on a cheap contract again and continue to use him as a gadget player...........but if you think he is going to put up 800 yards receiving for the next many years you should probably contact draft kings and put some coin down because nobody in their right mind thinks that.

He has neither "shown" nor "proven" that he can be a Beasley type(but with speed!). He's "shown" that he can get you 175-285 yards a season and frustrate his coaching staff enough to not give him a lot more chances.

No salary cap? The salary cap tore the early 90's team apart. The Will Wolford escalator clause BS. Ballard and Odomes. If they had been playing by pre-free agency rules with no salary cap the Bills might have gone to 6-7 straight SB's.

Beasley has averaged 812 yards per season in Buffalo..........more than thrice Beasley's best season.......closer to his 5 year career total..........so no he hasn't proven he can do that. Duke Williams had a 100+ yard game in 2019........did he show us he could be a special player that day? I could give you a LONG list of ex-Bills who had one or a handful of huge games and clearly weren't special.

I guess we need your seasonal statistical definition of "special" Petey.........and how much they should pay him per year?

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Yeah OC's who get HC jobs often just like to hire guys who will run their offense like they want. Not sure about Daboll's contacts but since it had been a good while since Daboll had been an NFL OC prior to getting the Bills job.........Dorsey might be the only guy who he feels comfortable handing the keys to right now.

He has proven he can be a "special" player? Where the f*ck is THAT proof? He is 5 years into the league with like 900 career receiving yards and never averaged as much as 10 yards per reception in any season. He is too careless with the football to keep a return job. I'm not saying that he can't do better with more chances if he has an elite QB like Josh Allen...........but he hasn't proven he can be special..........he's proven he can be a useful gadget player.

Yep, he couldn't handle the Patriots offense and didn't last long.

He must have a reason for endeavoring to be the next Curtis Modkins...........perhaps McD wasn't sold.

Wentz seems like one of the more unlikeable characters in recent NFL memory. And anytime players can go around the HC to management..........that's a recipe for disaster.