starrymessenger

Some coaches work with "problem" players if they see the talent - Pete Carroll, Marvin Lewis. The Bills could use an OLB to complement Kiko. Vontaze Burfict would look pretty good in a Bills uni. But of course there was never any chance of us signing him, because we are not interested in working with and attempting to develop those types of players. The problem with that is that we turn our backs on a major talent pool because, let's face it, good football players are often immature (especially the younger ones needless to say). I hope Doug Marrone did not simply take the easy way out. I'd much rather chalk this up to inexperience as a professional head coach, and it does look a lot like a college type personnel decision and reaction. But if it's just more of the same old Bills lunch bucket mentality it does not bode well for the future.

Entirely agree. WRs do not all have Jerry Rice personalities. Many good ones are flakes and take a real toll on their coaches nerves and patience. Good coaches, like Mervin Lewis, work with players like this if they are talented. Marrone took the easy way out. It's either a rookie mistake on his part,or,as you imply, suggests something more concerning.

He is likely the MVP front runner. He is the real deal. I think he's as good as Luck even if he's not 6'4" and 235lbs. I never thought I would say that.

Agree. If healthy he is probably all you need at the position. He is a complete tight end and, assuming his injury history is not a continuing trend, or that injuries have not already compromised his ability to play at a high level, you could pretty much take TE off the shopping list as a priority item. If we mean to go down the two tight end set road then Chandler and maybe Gragg can step up.

Would like to disagree. But can't. That hermaphroditic douche waffle is the man. Sad but true.

League says the low blows are ok. Clueless ref just pats him on the back as 3 tries to pull them out of his stomach.

If you compare what he said with what Tom Brady said about the game ending play in Carolina you might be hard pressed to see much of a difference. The fact that his words are interpreted by his teammates differently and negatively is an indication that the lockerroom is reacting to a perception of his personality more than to what he actually said. Fletcher, the senior guy, Pierre Garçon, and now Moss, also a solid vet. There is obviously more there than a pretty non controversial post game comment. It's a reaction reflecting a sense that people who live with him for part of the year have from him. Stuff that the public at large likely never see. True he's just a kid and maybe the maturity will come. But if it's a personality flaw maybe that won't change.

IMO RG3 is an unbridled narcissist and a famewhore. I would not be surprised if some of his teammates despise him. He may have the best physical skillset for playing the position of any of the good young QBs that have come into the league the last number of years but he does not have the best intangibles. There is a good chance that his career will not reflect his talent because of his immaturity and lack of leadership skills. RG3 is intelligent but it is hard to change ones personality, even if one tries. It usually is what it is. If I had to chose I would take Russel Wilson before him. All day. I would probably take Luck ahead of any QB in the league right now all things considered (specifically the probability that he will play at a high, likely elite level, for ten or twelve years).

Maybe so but if he does well I won't be thanking Marrone.

Or maybe Marrone is just towing the party line. Or, heaven forbid, he had a big say in drafting him and now is unable politically to be more objective in his assessment. I don't want to relive the painful Chan/Fitz death agony for another three years.

Its not rocket science. It's a bottom line results driven business, and it's mostly about talent. If DaRick does well cutting him was a major Marrone blunder IMO. And if DaRick craps out, then coach made a good decision. Time will tell.

From what I remember seeing from his college days in Regina: big and strong even for his size, never saw him get manhandled, extremely quick off the snap with nimble feet for a guy his size. On the downside has a tendency to keep his pad level too high and therefore can get stood up. The quickness is god given. The pad level can be coached out of him. I have no idea how this will translate to the NFL level but he certainly deserves a hard look. I think Whaley will have this team where we all want it to be in a year or two.

That's right. They don't like him and don't consider him a teammate. I suspect that it's very difficult for a "different" personality type to separate himself psychologically and emotionally from his teammates and still make his way in the NFL. I suspect parking yourself on an island like that is not impossible tho. If you are a great player and on top of that one nasty mofo who doesn't take crap from anybody you can probably do it. But Martin is not that kind of guy or player.

What's wrong with the whole story coming out? It will in due course anyway.

Ritchie may be done playing in the NFL but Martin's career may well have a slower, more painful death.

Looks like the clear majority of players and former players support Incognito or find Martin equally at fault for the situation he found himself in. The rest of the world, including the fanbase, probably sees it differently.

I have high expectations for Doug Whaley. I think he will find good players and I think this coaching staff will be capable of developing them. Bills fans are rightly reluctant to be too optimistic but with another good draft, and FA signing or two, this team will be ready to raise a lot of eyebrows. They are doing it already. I can't believe that the football world has failed to notice that the Bills basically wiped the floor with the leagues only unbeaten team with an as green as can be UDFA QB getting his first start. In fact they have noticed.

Yeah I do remember that. I was with those who thought our receiving corps was not that good, average at best. All you had to do was look at what the Pats were doing with their young receivers - Thompkins, Dobson and Boyce. I know those guys have had some problems adjusting to what must be a pretty complicated playbook and route tree but they looked like really good young talents and now they are proving it. They always were better than DaRick, Kaufmann, Hogan etc... Oh and I almost forgot, better than TJ, regrettably.

I think TJ has grit, hunger and pride. What he does not have are instincts and a natural affinity for the game of football. So it looks to me too that he is not a football player. Goodwin is a football player, and if he is able to stay healthy he will be a big problem for opposing defences if/when we find a QB who can throw a football properly. Good idea. TY had a monster day yesterday, the kind of day TJ seems incapable of having.

No I think he's Tom Brady. And I strongly doubt his career has been steroid assisted. So what does RC have to do with anything?

Doubting Tom Brady brings with it the risk of looking foolish, but my guess is by the end of next season he will be done as a force at the all important position and the Pats are probably concerned about it. He may want to play until he's 40, and maybe he can but in terms of being elite HOF QBs seem to pretty much hit the wall at his age, Marino, Kelly, Montana, Aikman - why should Brady be any different? Sure he has not had the supporting cast this year what with all the changes and injuries but his accuracy this year is a lot less consistent than it has been in the past - everyone understands that his O-line has not been as good and that his rookie receivers have made rookie mistakes in route running but Tom has also badly missed wide open receivers and made uncharacteristicly poor decisions. The slow decline has been setting in almost imperceptibly the last couple of years (despite what the stats say) but it is in sharper focus this year. Pats still know how to win that's for sure but take away that last second win over the Saints and they were on a three game losing streak and if the Fins had a sack it would be four. Still a good but hardly a dominant team. 11-5 but 1and done post season. Next year the Division is up for grabs IMO. Oh and someone mentioned that Thompkins was no good. Looks plenty good to me. I think the Pats won the UDFA receiver prize instead of us.

If the Saints drop their second game in a row to teams that, let's face it, are, for different reasons, having problems, especially after resting up through the bye and now playing in the dome, the perception will surely be that they are not as good as many people thought they were. And for sure if the Bills win, which is a possible outcome, they will deserve credit.

No I don't think the Bills are pretenders. You've got to have a claim to being a contender before you can be a pretender. They are a young team that is rebuilding and is probably two years or so away from being contenders for anything, assuming EJ develops as as a pro QB.

I think Bree's is 4-0 at home against AFCE. They are coming off a bye week (when they usually score + 40 points) before which they found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on the last play of the game. If the Bills win this game it will say more about the Saints being pretenders than the Bills being contenders.