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Bravo!

So what is it? AGW is a hoax perpetrated by AG and birddog? AGW is happening but we shouldn't do anything about it? GW is happening but it is not caused by man?

You would never accept an opposing view from yours from a source with such credentials....so......

What separates me from you guys is I don't look for Obama to have the answers - I look for the GOP to have the answers - as that is the party I most align myself with. Is it not more substantive to come up with your own - realistic - executable - solutions rather than complain about what others are doing? The GOP led congress has not - and will not - give further authorization ($) for boots on the ground and scaled up military action in the Middle East. This position is mostly political (POTUS must fail) - but it is also because the GOP simply does not want to stick their fingers into this mess. The effect of this is that BO - no matter what he wants to do - has been limited by congress in his actions - and as such - has pushed the envelope as to what the US is doing now. John Boehner just indicated that further authorizations for expanded $ for military action in the ME was not going to happen. But of course you guys knew that.....

You seem clueless as to how to read - not my proposals... 1. Our borders are not secure to ISIS? 2. What potential ISIS attacks? Have they attacked? Do they show an ability to attack? Do you not think we have every intelligence operation tracking ISIS? Do you think if we identified an imminent attack we wouldn't use all our power to stop it? Pressers - who gives a crap...all the ideas? You guys are the ones who lay constant critique of the current administration (who I did not vote for nor support) but you offer no viable or REALISTIC alternatives

Here are some proposals to ponder: 1. Identify the enemy correctly, in this case Islamic terrorists. Are you saying this hasn't been done? Our national defenses don't know who these guys are - where they have come from - they are sitting on their hands waiting for POTUS to direct them to do so? 2. Identify allies with goals that are similar to ours, e.g., human rights, protection from homeland terror attacks. This hasn't been done? We aren't in an all out campaign to protect our homeland from ISIS? 3. Identify resources to address the problem, e.g., arming counter-terrorist forces in the theater of operations. Don't we have this - aircraft sorties from allies and airbases in and around Iraq? Deployment of intelligence and advisors? 4. Develop plans of action, rules of engagement, and progress assessments. Don't we have this for the last 6-9 months - haven't we been supporting efforts to contain and wipeout ISIS? 5. Inform the public of all of the above with the exception of those components that require secret planning and implementation to succeed. Have there not been press conferences? This is a fringe group in a far away land that poses no threat to invading and controlling our homeland. Yes - they are capable of terror attacks but I would have to think that our military industrial complex is actively tracking all threats - not just from these guys - but from everyone. The American people voted and voted to getting the hell out of there - which POTUS has acted on. Do you think further action and presence in the ME - in light of the fact that military presence and political actions have really produced no positive results for the last 100 years - is a good idea. These people wake up in the morning hating each other and there is no amount of interference that we can provide that is going to change that. It is horrible to watch -and US lives have been lost - but those lives went over there on their own risk knowing they could end up dead. But why exactly is this OUR problem? We strived to get energy independent - we are - lets enjoy the benefits. Or do you want a more liberal position that we should get involved? Things over there will never change unless the people who live there demand it and act on it. If the countries in the ME are going to let a group of 5000-10,000 extremists control things - WHY - WHY is it our burden to continue to be involved. I do not believe there exists a viable plan that involves the US that will result in long term stability in the ME. What in the past would lead you to believe that it would work now?

So you saying a candidate could run on this proposal in 2016 and the American people would elect this person....this policy would produce long term positive results for USA....

Ahhh yes...as I thought....no actual proposals to be found here....just criticizing the ones who actually have to do something...but have fun with the material

Ok- Now that the predictable witty comments about the current administration are somewhat complete....what do you guys suggest the US of A does in response to a fringe group in the Middle East killing someone from another country in the Middle East? While gruesome this happens every day there and the countries in the Middle East don't seem to care enough themselves to mount an effort to combat them - why should we? Bear in mind that the current POTUS said he was getting our troops out of there and was elected. Bear in mind that this hideous activity has gone on in this region for millennia and will likely continue.... I beg a candidate for 2016 run on a continued expensive military presence in the Middle East and see if that gets them elected....

Bonas not very well represented on this board

Ok - Where is the Tea Party platform or wonking work that show how they would reform the budget, the government etc....? The TP is quite confident we have all the money we need - maybe we do - where are their policy and budget stances and proposals? Where is their sponsored legislation in the house and senate? Where are the actual reform proposals - much harder actually doing something than sniping from the balcony....

Wow - you guys are able to devolve any conversation into "progressive" "what he believes.." You have no idea what I believe Bro - but your belief in yourself sure is high enough to project your stereotypes onto me... So - you (TEA partiers) - are telling me that the Federal Government actually has sufficient funds to adequately invest in our infrastructure to bring it up to speed - but they are so inefficient that it appears that don't - and if they became more efficient - they would surely have enough to get the job done.... Again - if that is what you are saying surely their is a link or some maths (as the English might parse) that back up your stance.... And again - if this is what the TP stance is - are any TP elected legislators saying this?

Nowhere have I seen a legislator (tea/gop/dem) state that we need to adequately fund our infrastructure but in order to do so we would like to see proper accounting. That is what the posters on this forum state - which I see as perfectly reasonable and can be referred to as "getting things done". What your "tea" party legislators are instead saying is "No taxes...ever" which is completely different than your stance...

High Information - Low Information - As soon as someone breaks out that line all you are saying to the conversation is "What you are saying is stupid ...only my opinion is qualified"... My point to the OP is - This - to me - is a relatively simple legislative issue - the revenues to keep our infrastructure in good condition have not kept pace - they need to be raised. To me this is not a liberal/conservative/tea party issue. This is just a simple act of getting things done. Yet - Paul Ryan - Chair of W/M says no - "on principle" - whereas to get to his "principle" he has to stretch quite a bit. If the tea party doesn't want to raise fund for roads and bridges and says - "No revenues - let the roads and bridges fail"....where are we to go? As a fiscal conservative...I think that ridiculous battles like this only lessen your ability to get reform on substantive issues. And a Constitutional Amendment is not an answer to every issue.

To me the best part is - Tommie Boy was totally in on this - and lied about it on the radio...and will have to answer all of it next week. Apparently his girlie vag-hands can't toss a regular football!

Everyone - well almost everyone - agrees that our infrastructure is in need of investment. Some middle oriented GOP members even say the gas tax needs to be raised. http://www.nationaljournal.com/policy/insiders/transportation/gas-tax-hike-looking-more-palatable-to-republicans-20150112 Meanwhile Tea Party leader Paul Ryan - Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee says No way... http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/paul-ryan-gas-tax Tea Party out of their minds? We spend too much on infrastructure already? We can live without adding more money to our already bloated highways ports and airports? Gas tax hasn't been raised in decades, the highway fund is bankrupt and cars are using less gas than ever reducing revenues - something has to change? Is Paul Ryan helping us out?

Why should we have to tell you again ? read some of the links and educate yourself. and quit projecting your own (automatic) opposition to anything a conservative proposes. The links you provide rarely point to anything the GOP has to say that is not a rebuttal to Obama. Here is what the GOP has succeeded in in the last 14 years: The Bush tax cuts - which proved too much. Winning a lot of State houses in 2010 which lead to the great gerrymandering. Starting two wars which were unwarranted - and not paid for The prescription drug plan for seniors Repealing voting laws and introducing voting rules Getting the SC to repeal campaign finance laws which were almost unanimously passed by both houses. Fill me in on what I missed. Tell me how any of the above has improved your day to day life. Because of this complete lack of a pragmatic agenda to make the US federal government perform netter the GOP has got its ass kicked in the last two presidential elections and actually lost the popular vote in 2004. There is nothing that the GOP is showing that says it can win a POTUS election in 2016 against Hillary. So keep complaining and get ready for 8 years of Hillary. Going farther to the right is only going to further guarantee HC....the US people don't want 8 more years of DEM mush - but they appear to want it more than 8 years of the current GOP.

No one cares - except you - who has started a thread with your forum friends who seem to care quite a bit - by virtue of your time and energy putting the OP together - what he says. Tell me again what the GOP is proposing that is not simply a rebuttal to the DEMs.....

Maybe we should too....

What are you master of? Clearly not the obvious. Why are Pats in playoffs because they are the luckiest freaking team in the world drafting maybe the greatest QB ever in the sixth round....

The people I know who are disability - on maybe 4-6 - extended family members - are not disabled. Small sample - total scammers - best part is - they consider themselves "conservatives".....

"0What the hell are you talking about - capital flowing freely. JHC! You're an idiot.™" In what era was capital more accessible? I love it....if Obama has an impact on your life its your own fault....but nevertheless you talk about him all the time scouring websites to link to and complain.....BHO OWNS YOU CLOWNS!!

Worse snub.........liberals must hate Lego People too.....

After 6 years I find it sad that "thinkers" about today's society still seem mesmerized by Obama's every move - thinking that he has some great hand that holds them back - all day every day. Like you get up in the morning and set out to be economic and every day there is a new hurdle from Obama (that he has schemed all night to invent) - thrown in your way. Today's economy has never been more open, capital has never flowed more freely, the principles of Friedman never been more in place, and yet you guys obsess over Obama. That is a tough way to go through your day. BTW - I didn't vote for him - and don't think he is a very good president, and I am hardly what one would call a liberal - so save your one liners.