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It could. It could also have to do with a defense that under performed last year. It could also have to do with injuries both this year and last year to top flight talent on the team (Shady, Dareus, A Williams, Sammy this year, A Williams, K Williams, Shady, last year) It could also have to do with a struggling RT this year and RT/RG last year. It could also have to do with the OC who was jettisoned after 2 games this year. It could be a lot of things...

You and I both know that isn't how this conversation has been phrased. This game will tell us all a lot about the entirety of the Bills not just the QB. The Raiders have been aggressive and lucky but compiled a record of 9-2. This is a very good team and I can't wait to see how the Bills stack up against them. On a side note for as bad as everyone thinks Tyrod has been, Oakland is only scoring 2.4 ppg more than the Bills. Oakland's defense is giving up 3.5 more ppg than the Bills. Maybe Oakland can be knocked off! This should be an interesting game and has huge playoff implications for the Bills, too many people have already thrown in the towel.

With 2(!) top 10 drafted WRs. Carr is playing well but that receiving corps is scary. Crabtree has finally become what he was supposed to be and Amari Cooper is playing like the top 5 pick that he is. If Darby can't go it could spell bad things for the Bills.

In the middle of the season there are no options to improve this position. So all of this pissing and moaning is just that. Right now Tyrod is the QB. Most likely next year too. However instead of having a discussion about a hard fought win we are talking about a "problem" that can't be fixed. Right now on the top of the board 1 of the top 13 posts are about the Raiders game (how much Khalil Mack will own the Bills) and 3 are about Tyrod. What are the Bills to do to improve the position today. Some people want EJ to start ( from an EJ guy too), some want Cardale to start ( directed to the people who think the 4th round project will play better - and again I am excited about his potential). There is no "settling" he is the best option at QB for the Bills right now and for the rest of the season. The Bills are staring a HUGE game down and all anyone wants to talk about it Tyrod???

14-11 as a starter for Tyrod.

Adding in rushing TDs he is 4:1 tds to ints. That is something special. I knew the stat posted by jtsp was wrong but it still piqued my interest to do some digging. Tyrod is 23rd in the league in passing tds. Tied with "elite" Joe Flacco. Tyrod is 38th in passing attempts per game. 33rd if you limit it to 200+ passes. Tyrod is 15th in the league in rushing tds. More than Todd Gurley and Leveon Bell. Tyrod is 32nd in Rushing yards per game if you limit it to 70+ rushes or 37th if you don't.

I think you are spot on with this. The o-line isn't as good as they look at pass pro without Tyrod. His ability to slip out of sacks is incredible. If we get a pocket qb it changes things dramatically as the opposing d game plan shifts. He isn't without flaws but outside of the top 5 qbs they all have warts. Tyrod has a record as the starter of 14-11. The team is top 10 in points since he has taken over the starting qb duties. He isn't perfect and he leaves some plays on the field. He isn't the worst starter in the league and he isn't the best. The Bills are paying him as the 20th highest qb in the league next year when his extension kicks in. To all of the people that think he sucks do you think he is the 20th best qb in the league? Buffalo is 19th in the league in ypg, 8th in ppg, 4th in ints by the qb, and 1st in TOs. The offense is playing alright. It is ugly at times and a lot of it can be traced to Tyrod but can we stop proclaiming him to be the worst qb in the league? This team still scores points even if it isn't pretty. He is fun to watch, he is maddening to watch. On the offense alone RT and WR are a bigger problem than TT. Fix those, let TT continue to grow, and bring in another young guy to groom next year. Lastly, enjoy the wins. The Bills just won 2 straight and very few are happy with that. I don't care how they won. You root for the freaking Buffalo Bills. They are 6-5 going into December. Have some fun and save the hand wringing for the off season.

He will as long as nobody bites. Ladies and gents please don't feed the troll!

LOL

How many did Bortles have?

How bout now?

Just got back from dinner at prison city pub. They have an in house brewery and everything I tried (got a flight) was fantastic. Auburn NY representing on a national level too! https://www.google.com/amp/auburnpub.com/news/local/prison-city-pub-brewery-ipa-ranked-no-in-america/article_546a02d9-b903-5bb8-9eeb-691933ec0af4.amp.html?client=ms-android-verizon You won't be disappointed! It is always a limited supply but as I said I haven't had a bad beer yet from them.

I plead the fifth!

She isn't a minor in NYS. I know this for a ridiculous reason.... Here I am 21 and at my house drinking (a long time ago). My friend asks if his girlfriend can come over with him. She is 18 and he says she has a friend. Of course I say yes. Friend shows up and is white trash personified. She is also 17. I try to play the she is underage or I would card and she calls the local PD! She asks on speakerphone what the legal age of consent is in NY and the woman answers 17. Not my proudest moment.

Fat Tire has been a favorite of mine this fall. Pairs great with wings! Also one of my local shops has been carrying a lot of Grimm over the last year. I have yet to have a bad one. I especially like their sour ales.

For me it goes: Win in a blowout Win a close one Everything else.

I agree but he keeps repeating that we should have won those games as if they were easy games. We are a game shy of where I had the Bills as I thought they would win all 3 of those. Then again I had them losing to the Cardinals and Bengals. The Jets game hurts more for me. Watching Fitz be electric was maddening. I kept saying "he is nowhere near this good!" His wrs were bailing him out on a lot of 50/50 balls but still that one stung. Home opener, Rex's former team, Division game, Primetime. Ravens was a coin toss to me as they are usually tough and 8-1 under Harbaugh in week 1. The fins had finally gotten healthy along the o-line so I was nervous about that one as well. The Jets I thought was in the bag.

So the 7-3 Giants who only won by 1 are a bad team? How about the 6-3-1 Redskins who tied them? For reference that is the teams with the 3rd and 4th best records in the NFC. I get the Jets but why do you keep grouping the Ravens and Phins games as should have won. By record these teams are at the very least as good if not better than the Bills. Could've won yes. Should've won? I don't think so.

so this is his punishment? Blow a couple of calls on MNF get relished to Buffalo Jacksonville!

I don't care about the revenue I was addressing Badol's talk of apathy setting in and it being more dangerous than anger. I get his point anger means people still care I just disagree that fans are apathetic and I think record ticket sales proves that point. Rex making the team nationally relevant speaks to people not just in this region caring about the Bills. I live near Syracuse and have seen more Bills fans popping up. The hate that the Super Bowl years created has dissipated and now the Bills are the lovable losers. I don't hate anyone either but the bolded was what I was getting at. This win could be looked at as a hard fought win against a conference foe on the road, that many people had chalked up as a loss if they are being honest with themselves, and all I read is how bad the team is. This place is more fun after a Bills win except after this one for some reason.

https://twitter.com/pfref?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw The Bills have had the 3rd hardest schedule in the AFC to date (8th in NFL). Their SOS will go down greatly after playing the Jags and Browns and we will see if the record reflects as much.

Do you see more coverage for the Bills now or when Marrone was the coach? How about when Jauron was the coach? I was addressing Badols comment about apathy setting in. Rex brings a level of coverage with him. It may certainly be for saying something dumb but as PT Barnum said no publicity is bad publicity. Scott you even mentioned that season ticket sales are up!

Then I would say I am interested to see how you would rank those guys. To me at least none of them enjoyed the success Rex has as a HC. Chan is a great OC but was over his head as an OC, Gregg Williams is well Gregg Williams, Jauron had the least enthusiasm of any coach I have ever seen and played the rare bend and break defense, Marrone was a good coach imo but I don't think his schtick will work for very long anywhere he goes. Maybe hate is too strong of a word. I hate these types of posts like I hate mosquitoes. Not enough to get actually mad but enough to think god d*mn it. That said Rex has certainly made this team nationally relevant and the Pegulas have brought a level of respect among other owners that I don't think was there with Ralph. Ralph did a ton for the league especially during the afl days but towards the end he did little to help the league and did more to help his coffers (can't really be mad at him for it). I don't mean this as the other owners didn't respect him as a person but that a billionaire sitting at the table ( the 7th richest in the league) commands more respect than someone whose entire net worth is tied up in the Bills. and that is perfectly ok.

I personally don't however I think an argument could be made. He did okay with the Bills and is doing well with the titans this year. His time in jacksonbulle was terrible. The rest of the coaches in that list are in arguable to me.

I can absolutely respect the last 3 lines in this post. I don't need everyone to be JFH . The first line though bleeds into what I am talking about. It is the BBFS that 26 always posts. Mediocrity is an improvement for this team as sad as that is to post. 7-9/6-10 forever. For the first time in a long time we are getting legitimate NFL coaching (whatever you think of Rex I think we can all agree he is better than Chan, Jauron, Greg Williams, and Marrone) and have a potential QB of the future (maybe maybe not - again best qb in a long time). This team is trending upwards and has since Whaley took over. This season is far from over yet most have written it off. Sure it could be the same old Bills or it could be a run that we don't often see. The 4 game winning streak earlier this year was the first in how many years? I enjoy watching this team and feel that they can win every game (well except maybe against Brady and the pats* ). It has been a long time as a fan since I could legitimately say that. I would prefer to look forward to the games and enjoy the limited time I get with Bills football each year rather than try to be a "realist." Just a matter of personal preference as I won't tell anyone how to be a fan I just will judge from a far