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Small correction. 3 of the bottom 16 made it. The list cuts off at 22 but there are at least 32 teams in the league. Add in that 1 of the bottom 10 made it and again I fully admit that it isn't end all be all but it does say something.

Yeah it was strange. It didn't seem to help with the injuries as I think he envisioned it. One thing I came across while looking up stats was that Rex is 1-8 in Week 1 during his tenure as an NFL HC. I have no idea why that is but at this point it has become a trend.

13 of the top 15 doesn't say something to you? It certainly isn't the end all be all but I think it says something.

You know I'm a sucker for numbers huh? I know I shouldn't do your homework for you but... Here is a list of total QB tds for 2016. Tyrod has 16 total TDs. More than; Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, Russel Wilson, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford Tyrod has 11 passing TDs. That is as many as Joe Flacco, Russel Wilson, and Carson Wentz. That is a lot of guys that you keep saying are so much better than Tyrod. Tyrod has 5 rushing TDs. That is good for 16th in the league INCLUDING rbs. At some point with all of these facts thrown at you about how well the Bills offense is playing, where TT's numbers stack up, etc... you are going to have to give him and the Bills some credit.

1. He threw for 285. 2. That was his 75th start. He has started for 4 1/2 full seasons. 3. It was the 49ers.

Yes! The bolded is exactly what I wanted to show in this post. The flaws that some people point out drive me crazy and led to this post. I certainly agree with this but how often do you see people complain that Tyrod has not thrown for 300 in a game? All of this! To the bolded, I think that people's emotional investment in the team leads to harsher criticism. When I watch other games I'll see a play and think on tbd a player would get killed for doing that, then I see it in another game, and another

A quote that piqued my interest because the old adage is that turnover differential is the key to winning. Here is what I found... NFL Team Turnover Margin per game - You have to go all the way to the #10 team (Philly) to find a team with a losing record. 15 of the top 16 teams have a winning record. NFL Plus Minus - Tied for 9th (with 5 other teams) is Philly again. They are the only team in the top 15 to have a losing record. Teams with the least turnovers (used same link as plus minus) - The top 11 all have a winning record. It appears that avoiding turnovers is VERY important and should be as much of a priority as the Bills are making it.

Through 2018 would be 28 and 29 which is peak physical condition. You can't use rb projections for slowing down when he doesn't take the amount of hits and redshirted for 4 years. Add in that most qbs get better as theyes get older and the game slows down for them. I just don't see how this is his ceiling.

Haha I don't blame you but I'll bemoan that fact if (maybe when in your eyes ) they get knocked out.

They are currently 9th in the standings. With games against 3 of the teams in front of them. The Bills actually control their own destiny if they win all 3 of those games and certainly make the playoffs at 11-5. Possibly even at 10-6. These stats aren't moral victories. Instead they point to the fact that the Bills actually have a chance. These aren't the same old Bills.

I just looked it up. It moved to 3-4 with Aaron Rodgers winning last night. Some interesting numbers came from this "study" though Qbs throwing for more than 300 this season are a combined 44-43-2. Out of 12 weeks 5 of 12 saw more 300+ yard passers lose than win. Here is where it got really interesting though: Teams that had a RB go over 100 yards this season are 50-15-1. Out of 12 weeks 0 saw more 100 yard rushers lose than win. For sure but this thread wasn't to prove anything other than every team in the league has holes and things that they struggle with. As I said earlier it is simply to show those that only watch the Bills that other teams have many of the same issues.

I had fun and got some good feedback (and have a couple of minutes to kill at the end of the work day) The Bills have scored 34 total TDs this year. That is 1 behind NE and good for 8th in the league. The Bills are 25th in T.O.P. better than Seattle, Mia, and NYG. The Bills are tied for 6th in penalties with Denver. That is less than Oak, Balt, and Tenn. The Bills are 15th in Yards per play better than the NYG, KC, Den, Balt, and Minn. Tyrod has a better ypa than Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, and Carson Wentz

We are in lock step lol. I was just posting the same thing when I saw a new reply had been added so I checked it out and you had done the work for me lol Actually I just had to take a look. Next year he will be the 20th highest paid QB. Right now he is the 24th highest paid.

Thanks guys! This took longer than I thought it would but it was a fun exercise.

I see your point I guess I'm just not willing to admit that Tyrod is at his ceiling yet. I'm also not ready to start a season with Hoyer as I think he is worse than Tyrod (I really do see your money point tho). Yes Hoyer has been to the playoffs but Brock Osweiler is looking to pull off the same feat with the same team. I don't think anyone here wants him for any price.

You realize for all the winning NE has done over the last 15+ years they have won 1 SB over the last 12 years? They have an all time great at QB and HC. It speaks exactly to the point of winning with the run. NE won their first 3 Super Bowls with defense and last second fgs.

For me Hoyer represents everything that MajBobby and others are arguing against doing with Tyrod. We absolutely know what Hoyer is. An average QB in this league. He is 31 as opposed to 27 for Tyrod. He (imo) isn't going to improve or get better. He is what he is at this point and that isn't adding in the fact that he would be new to the system, isn't nearly as mobile, is less accurate over his career, he isn't someone I would look at as an improvement over Tyrod. Put it another way. If Brian Hoyer is our day 1 starter next year who thinks we have a shot at the playoffs?

I immediately thought the same thing!

This what I keep thinking over and over and over That was a washed up version of Bledsoe on the tail end of his career. Just my opinion but I think the Pats* weren't worried about Bledsoe making a difference. If they trade Jimmy G to us I would have to imagine they would have the same opinion. If they thought he was any good I could see them sending Brady out before trading Jimmy in the division.

Regularly I see posts that make me stop and think "do these people watch other games?" The Bills are 6-5 and have a tough road to the playoffs but there still is a road and unlike most other years the Bills actually have a legitimate shot. So here is some perspective from a guy who watched way too many other teams play. (I'm going to only use teams with better records than the Bills) The Bills have scored less than 10 points once this year. The Seahawks have done that 3 times. The Bills beat the Jags by 7. The Ravens beat them by 2, The Chiefs beat them by 5, The Texans beat them by 3, and the Lions beat them by 7. The Bills beat the Bengals by 4. The Giants beat them by 1, The Redskins tied them, and the Cowboys beat them by 4. The Dolphins lost by 15. The Bills have a per game point differential of 4.1 ppg. Better than Pitt, KC, Oak, Seattle and more. It is good for 5th in the league. Buffalo is 18th in ypg on offense. Better than Den, NYG, Bal, Mia, Det, KC, Hou, and Min. Buffalo only has 11 passing tds on the year. Tied with Baltimore. Buffalo has more rushing yards, a higher ypa, and more rushing tds than any other team in the league. All of this while being 3rd in attempts behind Tenn and Dal. At 6-5 the Bills would be tied for the lead in the AFC North and South, and be 1 game out in the NFC North, South, and West. (5 out of 8 divisions for those scoring at home). Please understand I don't post these stats to tell anyone that Bills are the best team in the league. Simply I am posting these to show that other teams have warts too. Remember that I only used teams that currently are tied or have a better record than the Bills. There has been a lot of hand wringing about how the Bills are winning. We are watching one of if not the best Bills teams in 16 years. Enjoy it!

I absolutely agree that is fantastic at extending plays and the he bails from a clean pocket from time to time. Taylor is somewhere in the 15-20 range when ranking the qbs. What is frustrating is the constant posting that he is terrible and the worst qb in the league. His contract next year will make him the 20th highest paid qb in the league. There is a lot of good with Tyrod and there is bad as well. I think if people took off the blinders they would see they are getting exactly the production they are paying for from the qb position. He isn't overpaid and he isn't hamstringing the offense. The Bills are 8th in points and missed Sammy almost the entire year. Clearly he is doing some things well. He can absolutely improve and I am hopeful he does. about 5.5 seconds to throw by my count too!

I've done it myself but people should compare the start of Wilson's career with the start of tyrods. They are very similar. I think most if not all would be very happy to have Wilson starting for the Bills.

You have oddly been very negative today... hope all is well!

Yes next year he will be the 20th highest paid qb. I'm on mobile so I can't link but Google sporttrac and qb salary. I often wonder how much other football people watch. Some of the problems people bemoan happen to all teams.

Holy sh*t. The defense is 12th in points and where doespecially the offense rank in ppg (hint it's higher than 12th). You mean the contract that will make him the 20th highest paid qb?