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To the bolded how do you feel about that 9-7? I ask because that is what everyone seems to hang their hat on for why Rex ruined this team. That 9-7 was hollow to me as the coach and qb left and it was the best record in 10 years! Agreed. Am I impressed with Rex no not really. Is it fair to not give him 3 years because of the 15 years before he got here? Absolutely not.

Oops forgot about Preston. Corey was playing CB for that team not S.

This team went 9-7, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 4-12, 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 7-9, 5-11 in the 10 years before Rex got here. Cut it out with this team regressed under him.

For all of the injuries and suspensions and overnight aging people need to move on from 2014. This defense has exactly 4 players from that team currently starting on defense. Of those 4 (Hughes, Dareus, K Williams, and Gillmore) Dareus and K Williams missed significant time over the last 2 years. 2014 happened but this isn't the same players as then. I get that Rex is a defensive coach but he has taken more of the CEO role this year. I wouldn't be mad or upset to move on from Thurman even though it is Rex's defense. As we have seen with Lynn sometimes a change at Coordinator can spark a positive outcome. Again he can't get knocked for the defense and not get credit for the offense. I don't care what his "forte" is. I know having the defense get torched by the 6th and 7 ranked offense proves the Bills suck. They are 7-7 they don't suck they are average. Dareus was indeed in mid-season form for both of those games but K Williams missed the Pitt game. I won't argue the defense is great but they aren't as terrible as it seems people think they are.

Every team plays these average and crappy teams!!! Do the Ravens or Steelers get knocked for getting to play the Bengals and Browns twice? I will agree that the Bills have played 3 terrible teams (49ers, Browns, Jags) but looking at records they have only lost to 1 team with a losing record so they are losing to the teams that they should and beating the teams they should. Again all in line with expectations or maybe you had the Bills beating the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Seahawks, or Raiders. Personally I had them beating the Ravens out of that group and that is it. So 1 game didn't go as I expected it, I can't get too upset about that. They lost to the Jets too which is the only other game this year they lost that I didn't pick. They also beat the Bengals and Cards which I didn't expect. So they are just about where I expected them to be. Playing to expectations, to me at least, isn't cause to blow the whole thing up.

Let's try this again... By your own admission the Bills are doing better than you thought they would. Therefore doesn't that mean that Rex is doing a better job than you thought possible? You must be one miserable sob if doing better than you expect still isn't good enough... By the same token that every team deals with injuries, every team deals with suspensions. If Dareus doesn't get suspended for 4 games do the Bills still lose to Baltimore or the Jets? Brady almost definitely beats the Bills as his track record shows. Dareus helps the defense as his track record shows. Maybe the Jets don't hang 37 and the Bills win so we are in the same boat record wise. For every negative hypothetical you can come up with I can come up with a positive one. Hypotheticals are pointless as is guessing what would happen if this or that player played. Currently the Bills are on track to do better than you thought they could. You can admit to being wrong any time now

Get em!

So again the Bills exceeded your expectations and you're not happy? The defense improved slightly with 2 games to go and the offense is doing better in some categories (ppg, rushing ypg) and regressed in some (passing ypg, ypg). So in line with your expectations but Rex should have done better? Currently the Bills have the 10th hardest schedule based on this year so far. So you are wrong about the cake schedule. In fact only 3 teams with harder strength of schedule have a better record the the Bills. A pile of garbage isn't average though. It certainly hasn't been as good as we all hoped. However I don't think any of us expected the offense to score as many points as they have or the running game to be THAT good. If we are going to punish Rex for his failings can he get some credit for the things that are working? Who knows what would happen if they played Brady twice. We can play that game all day long. What if Kyle Williams doesn't miss the Pitt game? Does Bell go as crazy as he did? What if Dareus didn't get suspended? Do they win the Jets or Ravens game? What if he then doesn't tweak a hammy? What if Aaron Williams or the 5 other safeties don't get hurt and miss time? What if their 1st and 2nd round picks could have contributed all year instead of getting a half a season total from the 2?

Sheesh I disagree with so much in this post... Kyle Williams - how was he regressed? Dareus - is the suspension and following injury Rex's fault? He had an off year last year I will absolutely agree with that but perhaps it had more to do with him getting his money? Mario Williams - see this year. Rex didn't cause the regression. Mario got old fast. Gillmore - has been lights out for the last bunch of games and played excellent last year. How did he regress? Darby - He has only ever played for Rex so how has regressed? If it is Rex's fault for this year wouldn't he credit for last year? Perhaps losing Donnie Henderson could be a cause here? Points allowed - 2011 through 2014 he coached some NYJ teams with terrible talent. Starting in 11 the defense got old quick and then the GM was switched. The new GM was horrible and fired after 2 years. Now with the Bills he has the Bills right in the middle of the pack which doesn't help your point that he doesn't know what he is doing. It looks like they are average not terrible.

All of this. Bills fans need to step back from the ledge. Right now many people are advocating the Bills fire a coach that could have a winning record after 2 years. For the Bills. I know hyperbole gets thrown around like he is terrible and the worst coach but it simply isn't true. All I read about was regression from 9-7 under Marrone, now in the second year of doing things his way he potentially will get them back there and fans want to blow it up?!?!?! So a new coach can come in and we have to start out with a new system and scheme and the team gets set back again. Rex isn't responsible for 17 years of no playoffs! He is responsible for 1 and most likely 2. If they finish 7-9 fine fire him. People are letting other factors influence their thought process. The 17 year drought has many antsy and others just don't like Rex from his time in NY or his personality (blowhard). ScottLaw I'm calling you out personally too. Your prediction for the Bills record was 6-10 before the year. So even though the team exceeded your own expectations, amid all the injuries and suspensions, the coach should be terminated? Most record predictions before the year were 8-8 to 10-6. The Bills are finishing right where we all expected them to and the coach should be fired?!?!?!?

I had to take a self imposed break after Georgetown lol. Lucked into court side seats last night and what a great game to sit up close for! Johnny, Taurean is as good as gone. He has the prototypical size and athleticism as you said but last night he stepped out and hit at least one 3 and how about that pass to Lydon! I don't get how SU has been bad at free throws for what seems like forever. I don't mind big guys missing them as it is kind of expected but to see players like White miss boggles the mind. I'm holding out hope for this team as they gel and some of the young guys mature that they will be able to compete in the ACC. I think the team we watch in Feb will be much better than this current version. Frank Howard and Roberson are definitely the guys in the dog house and tbh deservedly so. They both make some terrible plays at times. The problem with Howard is Gillon can't be counted on to not also do something dumb with the ball and Battle looks better as an off guard than a pg imo.

There is so much disinformation in this thread but I'm going to pick on you: I have dispelled the garbage time points myth already. Every team scores points at the end of games. The Bills are 7-7 the 9th ranked team in points scored. Of the teams above them New Orleans and Sand Diego have worse records and the Colts have the same record. So do you discount their points scored to or only the Bills because it is the Bills? "garbage time points" is a terrible thing to use to discount ppg unless you go through and set some barometer (that would be arbitrarily yours) and apply it to all teams in the league. Now for no-majBobby errors: Elway tried to resign Osweiller to the tune of $16 million a year. He didn't "recognize that Brock was no good" as some of you are stating. He lost a bidding war. He set a limit on how much Brock was worth to the team and didn't go higher. Kind of like what Whaley did with Byrd. The Bills have a first round pick, 4th round pick, and FA signing on their roster as a QB. The Broncos have a 1st rounder, 7th rounder, and a FA signing. It appears the Bills have more resources dedicated to finding a QB. Add in that Whaley has signed or traded for a bunch of QBs since taking over and the idea that he is sitting back is false. Many here that are spewing that "fact" are saying throw some stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Whaley has done exactly that. Elway didn't draft 2 qbs this last year. Simien is from the previous years class.

This what Ralph knew would never happen. Here's the rub. The disgruntled portion IS the paying side as well. The people that complain the loudest are those that care the most. You really think they won't still go to games? Fans were so afraid that the Bills would move that they didn't bail when a game a year was sold to Toronto. I gave up my seasons after the first year of that. However I'm a glutton for punishment so I still have more shirts, hoodies, memorabilia, etc... than I care to admit and watch every game from start to finish. I've said it before but the Falcons game in Toronto was where I gave up my emotional investment in the team. However to Ralph/Pegula's etc... they still get my money so they don't care. That is my fault. Colin Cowherd of all people made the point that fans of bad teams ARE at fault for the teams being bad (when they are notoriously bad: Bills, Browns, Leafs, etc...) because not only do they tolerate the losing they voluntarily raise their own taxes to pay for it! So my choice as a fan is to stop watching or treat it as a welcome distraction for 3 hours results be damned. I have chosen the latter. Before the Raiders game I figured the Bills would lose and again this week with Pitt. Why? I can't remember the last time the Bills won a game that mattered. In years past this would have made me very upset. Now life goes on. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. January - enjoy the playoffs February - read about FAs, draft March - Free Agency April - Schedule/Draft May/June/July - discuss how the Bills filled there weaknesses and how this will be the year Brady and the Pats* fall off August - Astro Notes (seriously one of my favorite parts of football) September - middling Bills team October - middling Bills team November- they aren't technically out of it yet December - Another year... I think what has made the last 2 years as frustrating as they are is that the Bills are *this* close. 8-8/9-7 is good enough to not be the laughingstock of the league but not good enough to actually compete with the upper echelon teams. So not good enough to make a run at the Super Bowl and not bad enough to get excited about the draft. I'm at a loss for what even is wrong with the team. They score points and the defense doesn't show up. The defense plays stoutly and the offense can't move the ball. It sucks that this is what my Bills fandom has come to.

This is one of those threads that got me to start mine the other day wondering how much other football people watched. Cutler is not a qb I would want on the Bills.

I think this is a flawed stat as I agree it is hard if not impossible to quantify injuries. That being said doesn't this chart kind of prove the point that injuries have hit the Bills especially hard? If I am reading this right: 1. they are the 5th most injured team in the league this year. 2 only 2 of the other top 14 teams most injured teams have a better record than the Bills. 3. 7 of 8 division leaders have less games lost to injuries than the Bills

Mehta is the most unreliable reporter. We think Rodak is bad but this guy is the worst!

I read a stat today. Amazingly the Bills are 403-0 when outscoring their opponents! They should try to do that every game!

This is the kind of thread that you and others have been unsurprisingly absent from...

I think the Miami game was a shared effort. The defense had a lot of very poor tackling and couldn't get stops even when everyone knew they were running. The offense couldn't generate anything in the 4th quarter to help the D out. Other than that I can't really argue any of that.

Jets game - Defense on the field first and 8+ minute drive to start the game Jags game - 6+ minute drive at the start of the game. I won't argue that the 3 and outs need to improve but the D gasses themselves sometimes. Also the D has been fantastic in the 2nd half the last 3 games and most of the year.

Nope. No excuses from me I have TT pegged as the 15th-20th best QB in the league and I think that is what his play shows. I would put Tannehil in the same range. I just wanted to add some perspective to Scott's numbers. Pulling Tannehill's numbers for 1 game to try and prove a point seems ridiculous to me. Especially since he credited him with more than he threw.

Not around here they aren't