CodeMonkey

I have seen party buses from Toronto and Montreal at Sabres games many times. Bars generally set them up and it's all you can drink all the way to Buffalo. I have talked to some people who were on the buses and they said it was a great deal for them. Their entire cost was less than what it would cost just to get a ticket in Toronto or Montreal. One of the guys told me once that 2 "kids" on their bus got so hammered on the way that arena security in Buffalo refused them entrance. That's the smart thing for security to do. I have seen people so hammered at the Ralph they could barely stand, but if they had a ticket they were allowed in.

You are right, it has changed radically. But it did 3 years ago as well. We all know too well how that turned out. As you pointed out, radical change does not equate to success, but it also does not equate to failure. In my opinion a wait-and-see attitude is far most prudent than either saying the Bills will suck with no proof yet, or that the Bills will be good also with no proof yet.. The biggest difference for me over three years ago is that the QB situation has been addressed (finally). No one knows if EJ will be a "franchise" QB or not. But at the very least the Bills F.O. got the QB they wanted and the fans have something at that position to look forward to.

My question is why. What need would this address?

Man people must have been making snowballs for hours before that started. People in the same industry tend to meet one another. I have met al kinds of people around the world in my industry. Hey, I'm not saying it is true or not true. Only made the observation that if Gordios characterization of the crowds at the various stadiums is accurate, then it could be true. I have no freaking idea of the actual stats, one way or the other

Introduce? He isn't new to the organization. Just got a promotion. A GM promotion from within is not as sexy as a new head coach or QB so not that big a deal.

It does seem unlikely to me. But if like you suggest the Ralph indeed is full of younger, hard drinking, blue collar types that have been tailgating all day and the other stadiums are filled with older white collar people who show up just for the game then it could be at least possible. Plus if the info is coming from a sheriff who works at the Ralph I would tend to believe that over Wikipedia. All I was saying was if your characterization of the crowds is accurate, it could be possible.

So the Ralph is filled with 20-40 year old blue collar hard drinking crowd where as long as you keep your head down and sit in the better seats you should be fine. While most of the other stadiums are filled with mainly white collar corporate types. You basically just made his point that it would indeed be possible for the Ralph to have more arrests than the other stadiums if what you said is true.

Hey don't be an ageist ... I'm sure not all of the gay dudes are old!

It is a bad idea in my opinion for both sides. Team: Gets a, probably disgruntled, player for one more year ... and then what? Player: Risks a career ending injury with a one year contract when he could probably get a long term deal somewhere. The player put in their time with the rookie contract, Time to let them put themselves on the open market if they choose.

How is that possible? They don't allow any douchebag Pats* fans in to watch the games?????

So fans of quality football go when the team is good, and the drunken !@#$s go when they are not. That's not hard to believe.

Not me man, sell out every game before they go on sale to the general public!!!

That would be quite staggering if true. I've never been to an NFL game except at the Ralph, but the power drinking by some all day long can only lead to bad things.

So is the point of this thread that in the past despite what players said they never trusted any previous system, but now they REALLY do? Before they were lying, but now we know for sure that they REALLY trust this new system that has just recently been shown to most of them? REALLY?

Because God hates the Bills and their fans. Didn't you get the memo?

I took one of my sons to that once. It was on a weekend and we had a fantastic time. Tailgated with some people and then sat in the first row and watched the entire practice. He loved being able to hear what the coaches were saying to the players. Afterwards the players came over to sign stuff for the kids like at camp. Great stuff.

I don't think this particular incident was because it was the Bills. The talking heads and the rest of the media thought, and probably still think, EJ was a middle of the pack QB in this years draft so they didn't include him. Nix thinks differently. In a couple years we will see who was right.

Makes perfect sense. The Billievers are flying high right now so selling them tickets before camp/preseason is a smart biz move. I hope they sell out every game before camp even starts!

When I am on my deathbed I sincerely doubt the Bills will be on my mind at all. It is interesting though that you think being a realist is approaching absurd.

Teams can only make offers that are in their best interest. Players can only take offers that are in their best interest. Nothing you can do but move on. If Nix thought this team was close and this player was the missing piece to the puzzle then a one year deal would make complete sense. With so much turnover I certainly don't think this is any more than a[nother] rebuild year. Signing an expensive one year deal in a rebuild year makes no sense at all.

11 + 3 = 16. makes you proud to be a Bills fan doesn't it. But, his heart is in the right place anyway

Lots said the same of Gailey if memory serves. And it was true, unfortunately the direction was down Gotta love the off season

My oldest is looking forward to watching all the new QBs work out. You can get a great look at their mechanics and accuracy when you are so close.

Agreed that the complete coaching turnover plus all new QBs will make it interesting, particularly at first. But admit it, you will watch every game even after you find out like the rest of us

It's been stated before, but at the elite professional level like these guys are, if it takes a coach, other players, their wives, other players wives, their mothers, or anyone else to motivate them then you simply have the wrong guys. The Bills have had enough intangible bull **** the last 13 years mainly because when teams fans talk about intangibles it almost always means the team sucks. How about something tangible for a change, something refreshing like oh .... maybe winning more games than you lose.