Billsrhody

Pretty interesting topic.. I think everyone would agree that having good WRs can only help a QB, but at the same time he still needs to get them the ball. EJ Manuel is definitely intriguing though and I'm not sure if I really want him on the bills or if I'm just getting sucked in by his combine #'s.

Hmm.. I answered this before I realized it pertained to Hasselbeck. If I were a young QB I'd want to be starting on a crappy team. As Hasselbeck I'd look for a ring.

Any idea how he ran or performed in some of the other drills?

Its sad that our CBs are in the state they are in...

I really like this idea.. nice topic G Smith L Jockel E Fisher M Barkley D Jordan J Jones C Patterson D Milner / B Werner Couldn't get past a tie for 8th..

Andrew Luck proves that a good quarterback can make all the difference

Nelson would scare me nearly as much in a pats uniform.. he's just a skinnier, slower version of gronk or hernandez.

Although I'd love to see Welker leave town, the possibility of Amendola taking his place scares me.. I think he would be just as good in that system.

http://espn.go.com/b...ket-source-says New England Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker has no plans to re-sign with the team before first testing the free-agent market next week, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Well at the very least we might not have to see him 2 times a year anymore.. not sure I'd want to pay him to be on the Bills, but either way this is a good thing.

Well you highlighted half the reasons above.. if you think he's still got it then why dont you want him?

It would be interesting to see how Carson would fare with a reliable rushing attack and strong offensive line.. he still has a strong arm. But he seems pretty washed up and I doubt he would improve the team.

Good for KC, probably good for us too. I'd rather build through the draft then shell out big bucks to FA wideouts

My argument isn't silly because Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and Phillip Rivers did see a decline similar to Steven Jackson and thats why I rank them lower than Ryan. You dont need to keep basing your arguments around Peyton and Brady.. I already have them ranked ahead of Ryan. Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Eli(interchangeably, not looking up the stats) Big Ben, Flacco, Newton, Rivers, Cutler/Ryan Thats your list from earlier.. why dont you try to make a case for the guys you have ranked ahead of Ryan that I dont? I think having Newton, Rivers and Cutler ahead of him is ridiculous. If we're talking about Russell Wilson, Ryan had a better year than him. Ryan had a 4 point better comp%, 6 more TDs, (4 more INTs) and 1,600 more yards. Wilson had 489 yds and 4 TDs on the ground, Ryan had 141 yds and 1 TD. Not to mention the fact that Ryan led his team to more wins and beat Wilson head to head in the playoffs which you hold in such high regards. All that on top of the fact that Ryan has done it for longer. Not sure how you could put Wilson ahead of Matt Ryan in any context.

So who is your top running back in the league? 99% of the NFL world would say Adrian Peterson even though he's never really had post season success and has always been on mediocre teams. Steven Jackson was a top 5 back 3 or 4 years ago, and now he isnt. This is a great point, and the exact reason why I have Ryan ranked in my top 6.

So kind of like how Eli and Big Ben have been playing worse, they should be ranked worse than Ryan? You're contradicting yourself now. No comment on Steven Jackson? Obviously Brady is ahead of Ryan, I was just using him as an example.

Tom Brady wont be the same player when he's 40 as he was when he was 28. Just because a player was once great, doesnt mean they wont deteriorate. So if you were ranking RBs right now, would you put Steven Jackson in your top 5? No.. you wouldnt because he isn't as talented as he was when he was 25. Even though he's the active career leader in rushing yards, he isnt in the top 5 or probably even the top 10 anymore. The same goes for QBs. If you're ranking the current best QB, than you're ranking them on their current merits, not their past ones.

I think this only really works if Milner is available at #8.. not sure the 49ers would give that much up to get Rhodes, who isnt a surefire prospect.

Brady, Manning and Rodgers are ahead of Ryan because over the last 3 years they have played better than Ryan. In the past 3 years, neither Eli Manning nor Ben Roethlisberger have played better than Ryan, so right now, Ryan is the better quarterback. I dont know whats so hard to follow about that logic. Flacco isnt #1 because football is a team sport and just because 1 team is better than another, doesnt mean that team's Qb is better.

It makes absolutely no sense to count the entire careers of the QBs you are ranking.. we arent talking about the all time best QBs, we're talking about the current best QBs.

Definitely need to address the TE position in the next 2 offseasons..

Its unfair to count a QBs accomplishments that happened before Ryan was even in the league. What is your time frame for determining the rankings of QBs? The last year? The last 3 years? Lets say the last 3 years for the sake of argument.. Rodgers, Eli and Flacco won superbowls. So would you put all of those guys ahead of Ryan because of that? In the last 3 years... Eli: 86 TDs, 56 INTs, 61.5% comp% Ryan: 88 TDs, 35 INTs, 64.1% comp% Ryan has brought his team to the playoffs 3 times, Eli only 1 time. I'd rather have Ryan on my team right now. Roethlisberger: 65 TDs, 27 INTs, 62.7% comp% Ryan: 88 TDs, 35 INTs, 64.1% comp% Roethlisberger has missed 8 games in the last 3 years, Ryan has missed 0. Roethlisberger has had 2 playoff appearances with a 2-2 record in the last 3 years, Ryan has 3 appearances with a 1-3 record. Based on his durability and better production, I'd rather have Ryan right now. Obviously Brady and Bree's are ranked ahead of Ryan, you could argue against Peyton if you're looking at the last 3 years, but because of his production when he has played I'm going to rank him ahead of him. Based on everything I just said, this would be my ranking: 1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. P Manning 4. Brees 5. Flacco 6. Ryan 7. Roethlisberger 8. E Manning Who else would you put ahead of Ryan and why?

I wouldnt be surprised if they "plan" on tanking this year. They've cut veteran experience in positions of need (safety, line backer, wide receiver). I'm sure they wont intentionally tank but they're getting rid of average talent and replacing it with unknown talent.. thats not a recipe for an increase in wins.

Thats not my argument.. my argument is that just because Ryan hasn't won a superbowl in his first 5 seasons, does mean he isnt a good QB and doesnt mean that he will never win a superbowl. In this past 2 years only 2 QBs have won the superbowl (Eli and Flacco). Thats just how it is, all the good QBs cant win a superbowl every year. Ryan is still a good QB and right now he is definitely in the top 8, probably #6.