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Without doubt, the offense failed to do what was necessary to win the game. Having said that, the officials without doubt affected the score of the game in Denver's favor.

That's fine, but I am. It was close enough of a call that it could have gone either way, but the fact that he was going to be stopped well short of the first down even if he had made the catch. The job of the refs is first and foremost is to make sure the game is played within the boundaries of the rules and to not tilt the battlefield one way or another in a meaningful way. The Robey and Gilmore call both helped affect the outcome of the game when there easily could have been a no call on both of those plays. Yeah, I'm a little pissed about those calls.

I'm not one to usually complain about reffing, but no, the refs played an out-sized role in the outcome of this game. We played just as good if not better than Denver.

I think we should try to sign Moeaki for next year so we could run a four tight end formation. Ya'know, to play to our strengths.

First I'd like to say the OP's question of whether or not we should package these players off is ludicrous. However, you were kind of mad about that play for 5 min? Dude, that play still bothers me now. If he doesn't fumble, that changes the whole dynamics of that game, we begin to pound the ball, they pass even more which plays right into our hands and we are 6-3.

Orton didn't have the sharpest game he's had that's for sure. But lets be real here, The Brown fumble was the killer of the game. Then the Leodis fumble and the third worst sequence of events was when we had second and two from the three yard line and we passed it twice and ended up kicking a field goal. To come away with only 3 points in the third quarter when we dominated with 150 total yards of offense and gave up less than 20 was what cost us the game. I just keep reliving that Brown fumble over and over. If he doesn't fumble, we win. Period! You are a miserable dude

Totally disagree.. It shows that he thinks of himself first rather than the team. Every single person that I knew that was damn good in sports and that was a champion always put team ahead of himself. And I can almost say with complete certainty that it is this sort of take he had his last year in college is the same sort of trait that he is being questioned about right now. These two things go hand in hand.

Must be a nod to Football Fantasy.

NY Times Editorial board is happy with the outcome.

Relax Sally, it's all in good humor.

I'd like to see Hughes and Dareus with the team beyond 2015. Dareus will command $12-14.5 M a year and Hughes will get $9-11 M a year

That's odd, we must have been watching two completely different games. One team made all the plays, the other didn't.

Since Bills 4 Ever doesn't accept the opinion of the majority of those who watch the same things he does, then maybe we'll just have to show him some factual data. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

Ditto. Oh, and most people don't agree with you.

It's pretty clear that Orton has been an upgrade over EJ.

Orton is better than EJ, our O-line stinks, Hackett Stinks, we have a good stable of backs, Wr's are good and the defense is top five and we have a winning record.

There are some real tools in this thread. Having said that, Hogan from my pov is going to be one of those guys that simply will put up solid numbers. He's got good size, speed, strength, route running ability and hands. Don't get me wrong, I believe we are grossly misusing Mike Williams, the guy should absolutely be used more often and in different situations and given the opportunity to do what he does best, which is to fight for the ball on fade patterns and back shoulder passes around the endzone. I think they both bring different qualities to the table, I believe Mike Williams is better near the endzone and that Hogan is able to get himself open more often. All in all I don't believe there is much of a drop off one way or another, just happy to have both on the team.

Some of you fellas need to slow down a little when you read.

Yeah, and if we hadn't of missed that field goal or had Kyle Williams, Bradham or Kiko out for the game, who knows how this could have turned out.

In a vacuum you may be right. However it can be partially indicative of the ability of a QB to be able to play from behind. I don't mean just in the last drive, but playing catch-up throughout a game. Sometimes you need your QB to be able to throw for many yards to get you back into the game. One criticism and a valid one at that is that E.J hasn't been to shoulder the team to a victory through his arm when we have been playing from behind. The run was stopped cold and there was no other means to move the football yesterday. I honestly don't believe that E.J would have led us to a victory.

Man, for someone who was so critical about having incomplete data to reach a conclusion, this post was

Actually, I thought it was kinda funny.