vincec

The over/under is 6.5, not 3, which seems about right. 3 is crazy low and it takes more than just having a bad team to only win 3 games unless you're an expansion team. You usually need a lot of bad luck as well.

I know, one top player is enough. I mean what you trying to do here- build an all star team like the one in the early 90s? One top player and the rest scrubs is the way to go!

They do this at every other position on the field when they are trying to work in a rookie player. I don't know why it's such a taboo at quarterback.

I don't think you can equate the NFL with the stock market for many reasons, two of which are that Byrd is a human being with his own opinion of his value and that the value of a stock if far easier to monazite than an NFL player. A player doesn't deliver clear monetary rewards to a franchise so it's very difficult to determine what he was worth financially to a team. The true measure is what he draws from the market place at the time of negotiation. Anyway, if you think that some other team will pay Byrd what he is asking then that's his value, IMO. Whether you want to pay it or not is up to you but I wonder if any player is going to settle for less than what he could earn somewhere else just for the privilege of remaining a Bill.

Only the good draft picks were Whaley's. The bad ones were Nix's or possibly due to Brandon's meddling.

It is not an oversimplification. How can you can that someone "outperforms their contract" when both the quality of their performance and its actual value are completely relative? What someone is worth financially is not a clearly defined number. It's just a construct of the market and usually varies with one's perspective. People place different emphasis on things they find important, like statistics, leadership, being associated with winning, health history, loyalty, potential, etc. That's why there are disagreements and negotiations. At the end of the day your financial value is what you have negotiated. Nothing more or less.

No one is overpaid or underpaid. Everyone is paid exactly what he is able to negotiate. If he can get $8m from someone else then his market value is $8m and if the Bills want a top safety then it costs $8.

My questions (and my point) is: what are the Bills going to do with the money if the don't sign Byrd at whatever price? If they don't think he's worth what he's asking and let him go then they have a pile of money and another hole on defense. If it was a choice like sign Byrd or Spiller then you have to pick, but that isn't the case. I was told that the choice was Levitre or Byrd and now it looks like we may lose both, and if that was the case then why did we let Levitre walk? Is it simply the principle of not paying a lot for players? What happens when Wood wants more than a center with an injury history is worth? Let him walk too?

I love how everyone immediately jumps on this aspect of the post instead of commenting on the substance. Unless of course the implication is that since Levitre didn't make the pro-bowl then he's really not a good player, which is ludicrous as nucci points out. I ask again, if the Bills aren't going to spend their money to keep their best players then what are they planning to use it for?

What I am saying is that the Bills are not using their money to put good players on the field. They didn't get anyone of consequence in free agency, they let a pro-bowl player walk and now we are talking about letting another one walk. What are their plans for spending their cash? Are they waiting for a rainy day? Well it's raining and has been for some time.

So don't go after free agents so that you can save money to resign your own players. Then let Levitre walk so that you have money for other "key" positions. Then Byrd walks so that you can resign Wood and Spiller. What happens when Wood and Spiller walk? What will they use the money on then? A new yacht?

I surprised at how many posters think it's perfectly fine for one of the team leaders and THE leader of the defensive secondary to miss all of the OTAs and minicamp when the team has a new coaching staff and a new fairly complex defense in order to help his negotiating position. I'm concerned that Byrd is going to have a slow start to the season and poor chemistry with his teammates. And if he misses training camp too then I'd add injuries to my list of concerns.

So far it seems that the posters with an irrational hatred for Tim Tebow are winning out over the ones who have their heads up Bill Belichick's behind. Interesting, I thought it would've been closer. I suspect that the desire for the Patriots to bomb is skewing the results.

There's no way that Kolb separated himself enough from Jackson to warrant his outright release even before mini-camp based on merit. His release was obviously a foregone conclusion once they signed Kolb and drafted Manuel, assuming that Kolb didn't totally bomb during OTAs. I wouldn't call that a fair chance. Incidentally, is it any less a foregone conclusion that Manuel will become the starter this season? Kolb is basically auditioning for his next team or possibly a backup role if he can outperform Tuel.

Well so much for the people predicting that Jackson would win the QB competition with Kolb. They did? I think that's debatable.

This should be a very interesting response from TBD. It's the "Belichick is a genius and can do no wrong" group versus the "Tebow is the worst QB in history and is only famous because of his religion" group. It'll be fun to see which group has the last I told you so. At least the latter group can stop with the "If Tebow is so good then why will no one else in the NFL sign him?" rhetoric.

Carrington is a strong interior pass rusher but has been weak vs the run. He has a role that he is good at but I don't think I'd crown a situational player as some kind of star.

I thought Gailey's over commitment to Fitzpatrick stifled his offense, but he and Nix knew how to find decent offensive linemen and run a linemen friendly system. Spiller had some good holes last season. Personally, I'd be surprised and encouraged if the Bills OL and Spiller played as well this season as last.

You've got to be a little concerned about the OL. Lots of ominous signs.

I know that if Byrd signs his offer sheet and comes in the Bills can franchise him again next season with a 10% raise, but what happens if he doesn't sign the offer sheet?

This thread is really sad. Are there really so many self-centered and inconsiderate people on this board? TBD is far from a brotherhood of Bills fans. It's more like a meat grinder of cynics that attack and disparage at any opportunity. I wonder if you could actually start anything as a thread and not have disparaging or cynical comments show up as part of it.

... and the sour grapes begin...

And for anti-religious nuts looking for an excuse to bash the other side.

Can you answer the poster's question or not? What is your reason for questioning his character? Do you have any evidence of anything he did that shows poor character? Or is it simply because of his religion?

Here's a rule change that I would like to see: no more half the distance penalties. If you are at the 15 and you get a holding penalty, then you go back to the five. If the total yardage would put you in the end zone then you go back to the one. I really don't get the logic for half the distance.