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Only one way all this nonsense ends for good: NCAA athletics are not televised anywhere. Problem solved. When the focus stops being on the $$$ revolving around these games and placed back on the purpose of college - academics - then we'll see all of this nonsense end. We want to glamorize these athletes and have entire networks dedicated to their play, then have the professional leagues (nfl, nba, nhl, etc) set up junior leagues and televise games that way. Pay the players in the junior league and then glamorize them all you want. Instead of wasting everyones time by going to college, the elite players are recruited and paid to join junior leagues. Until that is done, we're just all blowing a lot of hot air bc the entire NCAA system is a sham.

Ive never heard of that golden adage you speak of. I only know of the golden arches. Yum.

This is the funniest thread ive read in a while. Supposed to be 60ish and sunny on sunday. Rex may throw a curveball

Thats nuts. Yup, I'll stick with my original gut answer.

You have SERIOUSLY lost it man. You're so far gone there's no getting you back. Just above EJ? In ONE LESS GAME THAN EJ, Orton already has more passing yards and the same amount of TD's - which happens to be the #1 purpose of a QB unlike your belief that the #1 purpose of a QB is to protect the ball - if that were the case, the QB would never pass and just kneel every play - there, ball protected. Again, IN ONE LESS GAME vs Defenses that are all ranked higher in pts/game against than the defenses EJ went against (including the chargers - lions give up less pts/game). He has already out thrown EJ and tied him in TD's. No OTAs. No training camp. Off the street. Off RETIREMENT. Orton is completing his passes at a 68.5% clip - WHICH IS 3RD IN THE LEAGUE ONLY BEHIND ROMO AND MANNING - compared to EJ's putrid 58.0% completion % which on par with the likes of Jake Locker and Geno Smith. Get a clue man.

No cj, no FJ, worse OL, 4th and what conversion? Panthers comeback was good no doubt. This one was much more dramatic and difficult to achieve bc of the mentioned circustances. I dunno, they probably equal. That comeback vs panthers was impressive Having second thoughts. Not sure why you had to make this thread into another EJ debate

I think its important to stay on topic w/o generalizations on both sides. The title of the thread said that SIGNIFICANT improvements are expected. Based upon our performances vs the Lions and Vikings( 17 pts in those games), its safe to say our Oline will have similar struggles vs the Jets, whos Dline is comparable to that of the lions and better than the Vikings. That being said, the Jets secondary is garbage and our WR should have a field day if we dont draw up plays that require orton to just stand back there for 5sec. Like other posters have mentioned, i would also like to see an approach that focuses more on quicker/shorter routes unless we see that the Jets arent getting that much pressure. We'll see. I expect a hard fought win.

Im with you 100% on this. Perfectly stated

Maybe im just being super conservative but i dont see us lighting up the JEts defense. If we had a better Oline id be more confident. But our oline is our weakest point and dline is their strongest point.

If hes KR i expect At LEAST 10 times after our 10 scores

lol..i think they're down pretty far already.

Its not working for me

Fitzy gonna have some TO if this pressure continues

According to some, that play never happened. Orton threw a pick six and we lost that game.

Good point about Fisher - that division has some of the best coaches in the league too, IMO. Harbaugh - beast. Carroll - beast; Fisher - very good; Arians - very good. There isn't a single "Marrone" in that division.

Card are legit in my mind. They should have made the playoffs last year at 10-6. That defense is NASTY. The offense is good enough. They are for real. 49ers are still a top 10 team IMO. Losing in Denver in primetime in a game where Peyton was going to break an NFL record, I expected a dominant Denver win. I wouldn't be embarrassed about that loss - they never had a chance. The Rams have been in many games and are showing signs. The Hawks are struggling a bit but I think they'll come around eventually and probably finish 10-6. I actually think it's a pretty good division. I can see 3 of those 4 teams with a winning record to finish the season.

For the 100th time. We just lost our two starting RB's - the heart and soul of the offense in FJ. Vegas does not take that lightly until we prove that we can run the ball w/o them. I mean we just played a Vikings team at home and the line was what, us giving 4 points? 4.5 points? And that was with CJ and FJ prior to the game. For Vegas, this line is a no brainer. The point of setting a line is to have bets on both sides of the spread. That would not happen if the Bills were giving points in this game. The line will probably move even more with us getting more points IMO. 1. critical Injuries for bills. 2. Road divisional game where we normally struggle in ny. 3. We havent covered last two weeks. We'll see what it is come friday.

+1. And that's why i don't understand the entire debate. There is no debate. You want to improve the rest of the team/offense, improve the O-line b/c that's the only thing left to improve. Orton is the best option we have at QB right now, hands down. What is there to debate? We can resume this convo in the off season.

yeah i completely agree with you about Rex and the Jets being up/down, i'm just saying that the only reason Vegas has us as underdogs (which in actuality we aren't b/c home team usually gets 3 points anyway) is that we just lost our 2 starting RB's. Vegas sees us as one-dimensional going on the road vs. a good Jets D. Vegas isn't dumb. They're saying this game is essentially 50/50. And they may be right. Hard to argue against that. That being said, I'll probably take the Bills getting the points. I feel we match up pretty well: we lead the league in sacks and we're going up against a QB who turns the ball over quite a bit. We're #1 in the league vs. the run (ypc) and the Run is the Jets strength. Our passing attack is better than our running attack right now, and that matches up well against the Jets' weaker pass D compared to their run D. So yeah, I'll take the Bills getting.

yes.

I understand that, but man this team looks horrible. last year was not an outlier apparently - this team is spiraling out of control.

Me too. Don't be surprised if the line moves even more as the week goes on. I can see a lot of people thinking the Jets will win this game. A lot of people outside of Buffalo see FJ and CJ as the face of the bills (and rightfully so, especially with FJ). I can see the line moving to us getting 5 points or so.

You think Mike Smith gets fired this season? I think this is the year. I'm calling it now: Rex Ryan will coach the Falcons next season.

When you lose both starting RB's, Vegas isn't going to make you a 7 point favorite against anyone. We're 4-3 w/them, so Vegas is probably questioning what we'll be without them. Plus it's a road divisional game (home team usually gets 3 points anyway). I don't understand why people are surprised about the line. Jets also just came off of a last minute loss vs. teh Pats when they were 10pts dogs and were in it until the last minute vs. Denver when they were 9.5pt dogs. They've played well last 2 weeks...but again, they've ultimately failed. This spread is strictly a result of us losing BOTH FJ and CJ and us facing a Jets D in THEIR house. Makes sense, IMO.

lol. Well they also played the Lions and Bears - two teams that we beat but they lost. What I meant is that they've already played their really tough stretch of the schedule and failed. That doesn't mean they're as bad as a 1-6 team who played 3-4 games vs. the NFC South. If BOTH CJ and FJ didn't get injured I'm confident we'd be favored this game. Not by much, but we'd probably be giving 2 to 3 points. In the end who cares what the spread is really.