thebandit27

That's not what he said

The guy I'm most intrigued by is Eddie Yarbrough I actually had a draftable grade on him last year: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184223-2016-draft-d-line-thread/page-24?do=findComment&comment=3927399

Doesn't matter since Pegula is making the picks

Played at tiny Shippensberg College in PA, and had 23 sacks combined in his junior/senior seasons. Nice article about him getting a tryout with Philly last year: http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/soul-defensive-end-jake-metz-enjoying-amazing-ride-ready-dream-audition-eagles

Something to keep in mind for context as we get close to the draft: http://arrestnation.com/2017/01/arrestnation-feature-2017-nfl-draft-prospects/

Ice Bowl is a female just FYI

I've gone a step further, and removed defensive and special teams TDs surrendered by each team, and here's how it looks: Mean Defensive PPG allowed: 21.764 STDEV for Defensive PPG allowed: 3.050 Bills' Defensive PPG allowed: 23.063 (ranks 20th in the league)

...and...Taylor?

Actually, I knew his point from the beginning, and I have no need for it to be PC.

I think there's a pretty good chance he goes top-50 Just looking at the teams that pick in the top 50, you have: Cleveland (3x) SF (2x) Chicago (2x) NYJ (2x) Houston All of them have definite QB needs. Then you throw in teams that are probably looking for a guy to develop, and you get: LAC (2x) NO (2x) Arizona (2x) NYG KC Pittsburgh That's 16 potential landing spots for QBs, and I think it's fair to expect about 1/3 of those teams to draft QBs. With Webb the likely QB5, top-50 seems pretty likely to me.

I'd do it for a 7...he's one strike away from a lengthy suspension, and his contract is up after this year. Personally, I think he should probably get dealt soon; he's playing out of position there, and they already have a very solid defensive interior with Wilkerson, Williams, and McClendon

I would eat dinner off the floor of a basement bathroom for 2 weeks if that draft were a possibility. Tyus Bowser late 2nd? Josh Jones late 2nd? Marcus Williams in the 3rd? Justin Evans in the 4th?

In all seriousness, your de facto point is not lost on me: QBs that fit the stereotypical mold of tall, strong, classic drop-back style passer tend to go higher than their personal case valuation might otherwise place them.

Just like EJ

Agreed--that let's-have-Goodell-walk-a-mile-and-a-half-to-announce-each-pick stuff is ridiculous. Honestly, I don't like that they've started all of the screen-printing of jerseys, on-stage interviews, having the kid's whole family on the stage, etc. It slows everything down, and there are times that the announcements are 2+ picks behind and teams' fans already know the pick based on the team's official twitter account by that point.

FWIW, here was my evaluation on Webb: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/192065-bandits-2017-qb-evaluations/ Davis Webb - Cal Notes (time correlates to comment): (0:09) climbs into the pocket without hesitation (0:21) doesn’t set his feet and sails the deep ball into double coverage (0:39) maintains accuracy despite throwing off back foot (0:59) good signs here-stands tall and stays on the balls of his feet, with a good stride, and delivers on the 3-route while pocket collapses (1:17) great awareness to break the pocket and keep his eyes up; nice TD throw on the run (1:51) drives nicely from the top of his drop-back and shows beautiful touch on the deep ball (2:32) should’ve held this ball longer and waited for something else to develop; almost got his RB killed (2:41) that’s a very nice off-balance throw on the option route, which he follows up by dropping a deep fade into the bucket with Sidney Jones in coverage (3:11) have to anticipate and make that throw sooner (3:30) great touch on the blast throw (4:43) this has to be the 4th or 5th time he’s had a miscommunication with a WR; not good (5:30) this gets a mention for sheer toughness; anyone that’s willing to take that shot to make a short throw when you’re down 30 points is tough enough for me (6:22) another really nice deep fade throw Summary: I had to pick the Washington game to see how well Webb held up against what basically amounts to an NFL secondary (Jones/King/Baker). He really held his own for a while, but as often happens to young QBs, he started forcing throws and getting into trouble. I like the mechanics and touch on his deep throws, but I don’t see a lot of velocity on either the inward-breaking or boundary throws. He probably needs to play in a timing-based offense, but I see value on day 2 for a team that can surround him with weapons.

Apparently Seattle is looking for "a very good player plus a high pick". Takes us out of play IMO, since the only "very good player" on our roster in who I could see Seattle having interest is Cordy Glenn. I don't see Buffalo choosing to give up Glenn plus a 2nd to get Sherman, and even if they wanted to, that would be a significant cap hit to move him.

Hey, I'll take my lumps when I'm wrong...no worries. As long as y'all remember who told you that Elandon Roberts, DeVondre Campbell, Robby Anderson, and Geronimo Allison deserve early day-3 grades last year

Williams had a HUGE pro day...ran extremely well, blasted out 26 reps on the bench, touched 38.5" in the vertical, and hit 10'3" in the broad jump. In terms of his build, he's very similar to Sammy (hands aren't quite as big), and he's got some violence to his game...but he doesn't have the same burst or foot quickness. He's probably an early day 3 guy IMO

I'll cop to that--I compared Dak to Tebow in that he was a big kid who was a better-than-average athlete for his size, strong arm, but didn't strike me as a great passer. I also didn't love his mechanics. Hey, I get 'em wrong like everyone else

You're projecting an opinion onto me that I haven't expressed; see below... The only mistake was how the position was handled after the EJ pick. Had they made the same offer that the Vikings made to Seattle to move up to the 32nd pick of the 2014 draft and taken Carr (which, for the record, I did not advocate at the time) then the EJ pick would be entirely inconsequential. No matter which position we're discussing, drafting specifically to fill a need is a fool's errand; a sucker bet. I'll say one more time for everyone's clarity: if you are a team that does not have a clearly-defined franchise QB (or hopeful franchise QB), and you have identified a player that you believe has the tools to become a franchise QB, then that's who you take with your first pick. Failing that, then you take the best football player available applying an increase in valuation to critical positions like pass rusher, playmaking LB/DB, or elite receiving target.

I don't know...I found both of their posts to be perfectly reasonable despite the fact that I disagree

I have two thoughts about this: 1) With the way that college offenses have evolved, nearly every QB is going to be at least a year away from being able to effectively run an NFL offense--let's face it, the guys that can are outliers. If that's the qualification for a first-round pick, then I'm afraid that other teams will be scooping up QBs far ahead of you for years to come. 2) I ask this: what is the commonality among starters drafted in the 1st round? To me, it seems that nearly all of them were drafted to teams that already had established starters (or, in the case of a guy like Cousins, a higher draft pick that was expected to be the franchise QB). Drafting a guy with high upside in the mid-rounds and hoping to develop him over time is a fine recipe for a team that has a franchise hopeful...but if you're a team that is near to (or completely) convinced that your incumbent isn't a franchise QB, then I think that's a poor primary plan for identifying your guy. Clearly ours is a difference in philosophy, but we actually don't differ much. As I've said: I agree that there's no point in forcing a pick simply for the sake of taking a QB. My emphasis on the position is merely to say that any QB that a team values as a potential franchise guy should get a 1st round grade. If you don't feel that way about a QB, then bag it and draft the best player available applying an increase in valuation to critical positions like pass rusher, playmaking LB/DB, or elite receiving target.

It's a copy/paste job Gunner; he keeps forgetting to remove that line--since the exact same paragraph has been posted repeatedly in this very thread.

Different situation. Osweiler provided cap relief to Houston when he was traded because he had only $37M in gtd money total on his contract. Dareus' cap hit would increase if traded.