Thurman#1

To pretend that's the only factor is outright disingenuous. How many years did it take Elway to win a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning? You don't need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl. You need a top ten QB and a really good team. Reid had that on the Eagles. Having an elite QB certainly helps. It certainly does NOT guarantee it, especially in any particular set of three years. Hundreds? Great, should be easy to throw out 50 or 60 Kurt Warner-like examples off the top of your head. Come on ...

First, no, there's no particular reason to think they could have put up more. They did want to. Why wouldn't any team want to? They put up 27. Which was their season average, and was bad enough. But they didn't put up 40 and there's no reason to think they could have. And yeah, they were missing 3 OLs. Yet the people who keep saying this over and over keep forgetting that the Bills D was missing a lot more than that, including the two guys on the DL who most stressed OLs. With Von Miller and DaQuan there that probably would have been a totally different battle between those lines.

You're not being mean, you're just not getting the concept. It's clear that you don't get this, and I absolutely can't understand why. It's not rocket science. Number of 100 yard games correlates much better with number of carries given than they do anything else. They're far more about play calling than RB talent.

Nonsense. The lack of production comes from lack of run plays, which is something any team with Josh Allen on it will logically go with. Again, he's done very well per snap behind an OL that's not that great. Saying he's backup level simply says more about you than it does about him. Want to say he's not in the top half of starters? Now you've got at least a reasonable argument. DVOA has him 17th in DVOA and 20th in DYAR, and 13th in Success Rate. They have two stats, Adjusted Line Yards and RB Yards, where they assign blame/credit for the success of runs to either the OL or to the RB. If Adjusted LIne Yards are higher than RB yards, the line gets more credit for their success. If RB yards are higher than ALY, the RBs did well despite unimpressive blocking. The Bills RB yards were a great deal higher (0.45 yards per carry) than the Adjusted Line Yards, meaning the RBs got a lot for what the blocking was. Only five other teams had a better differential there: Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, Seattle and Jax. The backs were pretty solid this year, very much including Singletary.

The defense lost half of their starters, leaning far towards the best players. Yet they still managed to get 4th in defensive DVOA, 2nd in points allowed and 1st in yards allowed against a tough schedule of offenses. They throttled the Chiefs early in the year when still healthy. So, yeah, it's McDermott's structure and Frazier does the detail work, and that means you can't give Frazier most of the credit. But far from being incompetent, both Frazier and McDermott look really good once again when you look at how well that decimated defense did. (Very well.) Can't imagine Frazier will be fired, though anything is possible.

Which team is likely to get better value from their draft class? A team with two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders, and 10 picks, like the 2022 Chiefs? 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th 7th, 7th, 7th. Five picks in the top 103. Or a team with one 1st rounder and one 2nd rounder, no 4th, and 8 picks, like the Bills? 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 6th, 6th, 7th. Four picks in the top 148. The Chiefs did very well late, with Watson and Pacheco, very well. No arguing that. We on the other hand lost Araiza and Tenuta.

He sees light boxes sometimes but he runs behind a not very good OL. He's not built to carry the load? How many games has he been injured? He's done just fine. And again, we aren't asking him to carry the load. Few teams do these days. This isn't the 1970s anymore. Only eight guys in the league carry the ball more than 3 carries a game more than Singletary. Again, not the '70s anymore. And the fact that hes not getting a ton of carries has nothing to do with his higher per carry. Where do you get the idea that helps? Lots of carries helps with total yards of course, but where's your evidence it helps with YPC. There is none.

$5.5M would make him 13th in the league. He's as good as a bunch of starters, particularly in platoon systems. He's 16th in the league in YPC of backs with 100 or more carries. Behind an OL that wasn't great. Some teams might see him as not a scheme fit. But if he is available, plenty of teams will give him a serious look. It'll depend on price, probably, as there are a lot of decent FAs available and plenty of pretty solid draft prospects as well. My guess is he doesn't get $5.5M this year. This is a tough year to be on the market.

This is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. To say that they were signed for less, you have to spin like a nuclear-powered dreidel. This year, Von Miller's cap hit was $5.15M This year, Creed Humphrey's cap hit was $1.264M, La'el Collns' was $4.666M, James Daniels' was $4.166M and Scherff's was $7.647M So bringing in those four would have totalled $17.743 this last year. That's about $12.5M extra this year compared to Von, in a year when we were $1.9M over the cap. Next year, 2023, on the other hand, it's a bit different. Von Miller's cap hit will be $18.615M. Whereas Scherff's will be $20.941M. See where this is going? Daniels' will be $11.166M, Collins' will be $9.384M and Humphreys' will be $1.51M. That's a grand total of $43.001M, meaning $24.386M more next year than Von. In a year where right now we're right now $20.511M over the cap already. Same thing for 2024, much more for them than for Von. Probably people have already posted this. Sorry if I'm repeating. But what utter and complete nonsense.

Think you're really kidding yourself about 80%. Even QB - GM - Coach isn't 80%. With GM more important than coach.

Um, it's not that that's all he's got. It's that that was all he needed. Your statement was unspecific, weak and obviously wrong, on many points. The most obvious being that a team that allows teams to say in the game or come back wouldn't have won games this year by 21, 34, 35 and 22 points. Most of those did come early in the season before the injuries softened up the D so much, but this is a team that has crushed a lot of teams over the past couple of years. He pointed out one of a bunch of examples where we absolutely put teams away the last few years under McDermott. And destroyed your flaccid little argument. Then you throw a bunch of word salad at him, empty justifications, irrelevant nonsense and the logical equivalent of saying "is not is not is not," and pretend you made your point. You didn't. You just threw a bunch of arguments at the wall and hoped some stuck. They didn't. And the final fizzle is the usual, "it's a lack of coaching" with zero specifics backing that up.

Oh, please. Before the injuries started we were widely considered the best roster in the league, certainly top couple. And up till the Von Miller and Micah Hyde injuries, and many others and finally Poyer and White injuries making them shells of their former selves, and on top of that DaQuan missing our most important game, that D was kicking butt. That D held the Chiefs to 20 this year. And the offense started not running very well and gradually figured out how to get a really nice RB run game going. Zero substance there, zero. When you start to see posts like these, you know the person hasn't got all that much of an argument.

Like it or not, they were indeed out of gas. It wasn't one guy saying that, it was several. That's what it looked like to me at the time. Oh, and our Super Bowl window will last the length of Josh Allen's career.

Yeah, they had to show up. But they did. That was not the problem. I've also had jobs that required all-nighters and showing up the next day. I did it. But like the Bills, I was there, but wasn't at my best. Very much agree with you that there's plenty of blame to go around. This wasn't on the coaches. It was on the coaches and the players. It was on everybody. Elam had a good game but I didn't see many others who did.

This.

Yeah, he "didn't develop" Davis from fourth-rounder to 599 yards to 836 yards. With a leg injury which appeared to seriously limit him for a large part of the year. 6 or 7 TDs every year. That's development, like it or not. As for Stevenson and McKenzie, nobody expects any position coach to make a wild success of everyone assigned to him. Some guys aren't good enough. I'd hoped McKenzie would be, but it appears he isn't. That could be on Hall, or on McKenzie. From what we've heard about Hall, he's been considered a guy with a bright future for quite a while now.

It's closer to half or three-quarters of a second. And I've never seen a game where this was an issue more than maybe 10 or 15 times.

They do follow the rules. The problem is that a small group of fans doesn't like the way it's accomplished. I don't see a problem. As for the horn, no thanks. I'm betting that would become annoying very quickly. Better way to do it than the horn. But I just don't see a problem big enough to fix.

Why would the owners want that? And why would we? The salary cap levels the playing field. Let the most important player be signed without limit and you'd get the higher income teams outbidding everyone and winning every year.

Yeah, this is the way it seemed to me. The Bills just had an absolutely awful game. Bengals are a very good team and I'm not less worried, but if we're playing well, I think we have a very good shot at beating them. I also think that with Von and DaQuan we'd have looked a lot better last week.

Dude, the odds are good that they're re-signing Tremaine. And that it will be for considerably less than $20M. It may be possible for him to get $20M, and if he does insist on that, he's likely gone. But he likes it here. Those are likely. What is a sure thing is that if it did happen, it would absolutely not divide the locker room. And that it's not an either/or between Tremaine and the OL in the first place.

This seems to me like a great fit. Hope they do this with someone in the first two days, maybe even the first two rounds.

Only theoretically. The Bills could theoretically try to go after part of his signing bonus. But they have shown zero interest in doing that to guys who have genuinely given their all. They might have done it with Vontae Davis, after his halftime retirement, but Vontae came voluntarily and returned it. With the concussion concerns, I greatly doubt the Bills would try that move. It would look absolutely vicious and would not play well in the locker room.

They don't save $6M by doing it. He has $6M remaining in dead money. Compare that with $8.25M in cash due (overthecap.com). If he is cut he'd be cut before the first day of the league year to avoid some money guaranteeing and such, so a lot of that dead money could be pushed to the 2024 cap, but it would HAVE to be paid that year. We don't save much overall by cutting him.

His salary isn't $11M. It's $6.6M salary in 2023 and a $1.42M roster bonus (Or 1.8M on Overthecap). His cap hit is around $11.3M, but he's already received $3M of that in his signing bonus Also, that's not called a re-structure. It's a salary cut or decrease. Re-structure generally means the same money paid along a different schedule. But forced salary decreases work a lot better when you've got the leverage. With Beasley they knew they'd be happy to let him go and thought they'd find someone to replace him at the same level easily. Unfortunately, Crowder was injured the whole season. With Morse I'm not sure they feel they have the leverage. They'Ve got Bates on the roster but would have to replace him at guard if they put him at center. And while Bates has played OK at center I'm not sure they feel all that confident he'd play at the same level. We may see, I guess.