Thurman#1

Yeah, it's an awful lot easier for wannabe GMs, who don't have to deal with salary caps, than it is for GMs, who have real-world consequences for bringing in every guy they would like to in an ideal world. Precisely. There's no punishment for wannabe GMs to say we need to pick up more and more and more.

Yup. Not to mention that they are grouped tightly in terms of unit. The defensive backfield has been absolutely decimated. So has the DL. That gives teams specific targets and areas where the backups are tightly grouped and easier to attack. This has absolutely had a huge effect on this team. Pretending it hasn't isn't making sense.

Looked to me like he started playing hero ball for a game or two. And when he figured that out and corrected it, he got the elbow problem. And the elbow problem absolutely is a problem at times. He can still throw hard when he puts his whole body into it. But he usually can throw hard as hell almost flat-footed.

We're talking about the last four games? You didn't say that. You did claim knowledge that our coaches weren't teaching well, which was and is ridiculous. We can't know that unless we're there, and we're not. Has tackling and pass defense been substandard in the last four games? For a team with 11 starters on the field, maybe yeah. For a team with around 5 backups out there, probably not. Their YPC for those four games is slightly better than NFL average, and they just strangled Nick Chubb. For a team without 3 or at times even 4 of their starting defensive backfield, I'd argue their pass defense has been pretty good. The D kept scoring well in hand against all but the Vikes. Overly critical? Yeah, probably, which I think was my overall point. We all get cranky and knee-jerk at times. I'm no exception. Reasonable to respond to that, isn't it?

Don't think he threw a block so much as he was trying to look like he was throwing a block without actually affecting the play. He did affect the play a bit, but it sure looks like once out there he was not trying to make any difference. I don't blame the refs a bit. You'd have to be staring right at him at the right moment to see him and the refs had a ton to look at at that moment.

There's always one guy. It's the sad truth.

You know for sure that it's that the coaches aren't coaching it, and not the players executing badly? Tell me, what's it like to be at all the practices? As for struggling against the run, we're 10th best at defensive YPC, and that's with many starters missing a lot of games. And 9th best at YPA, with the same large number of games missed. We're 5th in points allowed per game, 1.1 PPG behind the best in the league. 12th in yards allowed per game, 19 yards per game behind the #1 team. All against an extremely tough schedule.

Stupidity is sad. So is trolling. One is involved here.

It was one hell of a lot more impressive when Marino did it. Everyone else is from recent eras and there's a reason for that. In the old days it used to be almost impossible to be really good before you'd played three seasons or so. These days a lot of guys start with college offenses that they are used to and can start much earlier. Not to mention the gradual stiffening of the rules concerning legal contact with receivers. In Marino's first year he had 20 TDs. The league leader had 32. In his second year, Marino had an insane 48, highest in the league. The second-highest guy had 32.

Josh is terrific. But it is much much easier to throw for TDs than it has been for most all of NFL history. Again, though, Josh has been terrific. And Mahomes is actually still in his fifth year, since he spent all but one game of his first season on the bench. And he has 179 so far, just passing. Herbert looks like he'll make it in five as well. But again, Allen is terrific.

Cool!! He really had a great game.

He's doing a really good job. And certainly an awful lot better than Star was last year.

Right. Couldn't be assault. Couldn't be getting in a fight. Couldn't be severe drunkenness. Couldn't be racial slurs. Couldn't be attacking a player. Couldn't be yelling at the head coach. Insubordination. Drunken driving. Pissing or crapping in public. Pushing a metermaid. Pissing on the Mexican equivalent of the Alamo. Stealing someone's burrito. Going into the other team's locker room and causing problems. Attacking or screaming at the refs after the game. Driving a rental car into light pole and running away. Hitting his girlfriend. Hitting his mistress. Think I could go on? No, no, couldn't be one of those or something else. You're totally right. It happened in Mexico and he got fired. Must be prostitution or drugs.

Wow, as I look through the thread I wonder about some of you folks. Mexico is mentioned and it goes straight to prostitution and drugs. And that's thought hilarious. It's a beautiful country with a fantastic culture. Yeah, there are drugs and prostitution there. I've heard there are one or two places in America also where you can find those.

"His bio has been removed from the website." Yikes. EDIT: oh, man, he fondled someone who was unwilling? Fair enough. To think he was on the Bills staff for a while.

Not a reasonable comparison. Cook was minimized for half a season or so. After training camp. Same as Singletary was rookie year. And Moss. After that first half a year or so they were allowed into more action. It's only after training camp and that first half of a year where you spend more time learning than playing that "handing the ball off to Cook works." He works after they did things the McDermott way. Before going through the usual McDermott rookie RB script, Cook had been inconsistent but OK. After, looks very good. Same as happened with Singletary. Hines has been here three weeks. It'll come. And it ain't like he's been Superman over the course of his career. He's got a career YPA of 4.0 and a career YPR of 7.3. I expect him to be good, but people here seem to expect huge returns. That would be lovely, but expecting it is premature.

Josh has not been good recently. Or rather, he's consistently had bad moments mixed into the excellence. The headline for this thread is "Ken Dorsey bears the brunt of the blame," but actually Turner continued the sentence with, "and not just the QB." Turner mentioned many Allen mistakes as well as OL problems and a few WR gaffes. Dorsey sure does get some blame, but there's plenty to go around.

Dang, that's an accomplished family!! Best of luck to him and them.

Not using Cook isn't head-scratching at all. It should have been completely expected, it was very predictable. In fact, it was widely predicted. It's how they use rookie RBs. In the first eight weeks of his rookie season, Singletary had 40 carries. And that was after he went four carries for seventy yards and six carries for fifty-seven and a TD in weeks one and two. Then in the second half of the season they started using him much more. Exact same thing with Moss, though they waited a few extra weeks before starting to use him consistently very much in his rookie season.

Just because he was injured there doesn't mean he'd have been injured here. There's no connection with the Bills, validation or criticism in an injury to McKissic. He himself must have been frustrated. They didn't use him as much or as well this year there. He's a good player and isn't getting the chance to show it in DC.

And .... boom. Missing the point, folks.

Nonsense, "most patient." What crap!! He's simply among the five or six absolute best coaches in the league, and Bills fans recognize it. He's doing a terrific job, and only a few people, no names of course, don't get that. And that thing about only five head coaches have five years or longer is a statistical fluke. Belichick had five full years with the Browns and a record of 36 - 44. As of last year, Zimmer was in his 8th year without an SB Reid had 14 years in Philly without a Super Bowl win. They had that longevity because they were very good coaches, even without Lombardis. As is McDermott. "Most patient." What crap!

Mental issues? Good grief, what is with you people. I guess mental issues are possible, but no reason to think it's White who has them.

Well, you'd be the one to know. Oh, wait, no. You have absolutely zero idea.

Haven't heard him for years and years after getting NFL Game Pass. So recently I have no idea. But as recently as around ten years ago he was really really good.