Thurman#1

Good article, though nothing earth-shaking.

Don't know where you're getting this. The pundits and sources like this draft a lot. I've only seen one negative, and it wasn't all that bad.

This. Josh Allen is considered the physical model of what you want in a QB. Allen fits the prototype of what teams want, physically, in a pocket QB, though he ended up having terrific running ability as well. Almost too tall, but instead, right in the bullseye. Tyree is considered too tall. There has never been a QB successful in the NFL at his height. It's considered difficult to put together your mechanics with arms and legs that long, and that has held up over history. Not that that proves what their outcomes will be. But this is how the NFL looks at people. Are you the prototype, or are you a type that has never succeeded.

That's a problem with how it sounds, it doesn't sound so nice, maybe. But it's absolutely correct. They gave up two 4th round picks. And recieved a 3rd rounder in return. If they'd given up one 4th rounder, they'd still have one left. Give up simply means to relinquish or part with. Which we did. It doesn't mean you don't get anything in return. Just means you said bye-bye to 'em. We gave up 112 and 131 and received 96 in return. Put another way, they lost two picks. And gained one back in trade. Any accounting denying they lost two picks is more concerned with spin than correctness. "They lost ONE net pick." They just lost it? Well, maybe someone will find it and returne it. And later, in a separate transaction, "They turned the other 4th into a 3rd"? With what, a magic wand? This always cracks me up, I always picture a circus plate spinner dashing from plate to plate. It wasn't two separate transactions, #112 for nothing, followed later by #131 for #96. They received one pick by giving up two.

No, it's not the only way to handle it. Plenty of teams take a ton of picks. Cincy had 11 last year, Denver had 10, Green Bay had 11, and I'm only up to the Gs, in one draft. That wasn't "what those 4th rounders were there for." They were there to be maximized. Could've been used, or traded for more picks, or whatever. You don't have to get all that lucky to do well with a later pick. Milano was a 5th. Taron Johnson too. Fourths especially have a pretty reasonable record of producing contributors. The more picks the better, but if you have a better use for them, that's OK too. So far, this regime has been excellent at the draft, so I'm willing to believe them that this stands a decent chance of being a very good use of the picks.

I agree. Avoiding the quick fixes and haven't mortgaged the future. Still a lot to prove, but they look good. A far better big-picture sense of how to go about this than any regime since the '90s..

No.

No, I don't think it's irrelevant. To me, going back and analyzing why things happened helps me understand life better. Football too. People said that based on last year, Beane was a guy who loved to trade up and was willing to give up a lot of value. I thought - and posted - that last year had been a special year, with the purpose of trading up for a QB and a year when they'd put together a ton of draft capital to do it. Now, this year looks just like what I expected Beane to look like in the long term ... chintzy about giving away earlyish and valuable picks. I love it. It's the smart play.

You may not be much happier than I am. Loved it!!!!!!! Great post. Thanks. Is Ferguson really that good? Hadn't looked too far beyond the first. I'll root for that, though I also wouldn't mind Risner, Cody Ford or a few others.

Yeah? Way I see it is: #30 is 620 points and #40 is 500 points. That's 120 points. 120 points is a very low third rounder, and you generally have to give 10% or 20% extra to move up. In any case, the story on this draft seems to be that there were only a few true first rounders, somewhere in the general neighborhood of 15 guys, but then there are a ton of true second round talents, probably right out through the 4th round. Why give up one a second round talent (in the third or fourth round) to move up from a second round talent at #40 to a second round talent at #30? This ain't the year to do it, IMO. They've got a lot more than eight good young guys who would fit what they do and fill spaces that need filling.

Yessir.

Who could ever have figured that you would need odds far better than one-to-one to make this an attractive bet? Oh, wait, me and most people who posted. Nearly everyone ... except one guy.

Probably will cost a 3rd, if they want to do it, unless they maybe switch 2nds or something with someone. I don't give up a 3rd, myself. You get starting caliber guys through the 3rd or 4th this year.

In this case, smart enough to just let the right guy fall to him. Nice job!!!!!!!!!

Fan-friggin'-tastic. How often do you get a bargain at #9? Him being played at nose meant he ended up falling to us. Thanks Houston's coaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oliver's available!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic!!!!!! Gotta be the most likely pick there. I hope so.

Dalton Risner EDIT: Terry McLaurin

Looks good.

Your guess is as good as anyone's but IMO in that scenario they pick Oliver. If he's gone, I'd love to see them pick Jonah. From what we've heard, Oliver argued with his coach one time, and the two made up almost instantly. I don't think that's a big problem at all.

The tape didn't lie. But the way people read the tape was very very wrong. Our DL was so bad except for him that when he'd penetrate his gap someone else's gap would be open so the RB could get away. Yeah, people criticized him at that time. It didn't make any sense then or now. I won't argue that he shouldn't have been there. But even there, he played well.

Gramling was making an argument. He's smart, funny and great with stats and spreadsheets and that kind of thing. But Gramling doesn't have a lot of NFL contacts. Kyle wasn't all that sneaky. He was very fast and strong for his size. He was an excellent penetrator. Oliver is also a penetrator, and apparently a better one, but you are underestimating Kyle here. I don't see Oliver as all-pro. He'll be up against Quinnen Williams among many others and Quinnen is generally considered better. But I'd love to see Oliver in a Bills uniform, I think he's going to be very very good.

In order if they're not gone, off the top of my head: Quinnen Oliver Jonah Williams Jawaan Taylor Brian Burns if they think he'll fit Sweat Hockenson Cody Ford I don't have strong preferences, after the first two anyway. Just get someone who'll be a core player for years. Wouldn't mind a trade back either.

I hope Snyder's taking it over. He can be counted on to do things for the wrong reasons. Which makes it much more likely that he'll make a mistake.

That ain't logic or common sense. That's what a guy on the internet wants. Nothing wrong with wanting something. But believing your confirmation bias will destroy your logical thinking.

I'll say one thing, you know your facts. 4.02 yards per carry in Buffalo. "Fact," "great numbers," oh, yeah. Running backs yearn to get up to 4.02 yards per carry. Yeah, that's right up there in the running back's dictionary under "great." Downright Jim Brown-esque. And the idea that Lynch had a bigger impact than Cookie is outright laughable. His impact here was mostly having a cool nickname.