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I don’t disagree about the butt whooping , but the Colts are not as good as we made them look through our own faults. We ourselves are the sole reason the game got away from us in the first half. And it literally boiled down to five plays where we gave the game away that first half and start of second half with dumb penalties, free unforced fumble, or dropped wide open pass. Point was, the losses were more on us than being overmatched by our opponents. If we play the Colts 10 times with Star and Edmunds active, I guarantee we win more games than we lose.

Disagree. Pitt - We lost this game over a blocked punt. Or you can take any number of penalties that either took points off our board or gave points to Pitt. They weren't "built to stop us", we beat ourselves. We should have won that game. Tenn - Literally lost this game on Josh losing his footing on a sneak which he has converted at over 95% over his career. You can also point to a number of dumb penalties that either took points off our board or gave them points by extending drives too. Again, shot oursevles in the foot. Not that they were "built to beat us". We should have won that game. Jags - Our OL played its worst game I have ever seen probably in the McD era. But again, multiple times we had penalties or dumb mistakes shoot ourselves in the foot again. They weren't "built to beat us", we again beat ourselves. Colts - Missing our best run defender (Star) and captain of our defense (Edmunds) was already a tough start to this game. Still missing 2 starters on the OL also was a big problem. Yet, despite all that...the REAL difference in that game was once again self inflicted mistakes. Our first drive of the game we moved the ball at will. Then on 3rd and 2, Josh is easily going to pickup 10-20 yards on a run, but play blown dead due to false start. Next play...holding...suddenly its 3rd and 18 and outside FG range. Shot ourselves in the foot. We would then go on to get off the field on 3rd down on defense just to see us give them a free first down with a penalty flag...again, allowing them to eventually score points. Now we get the ball near end of half with us also getting ball to start second half...putting us in a spot where we could take the lead...instead McKenzie gives them a free TD with his self inflicted fumble. Still with 2 possessions in a row to end and start the halves...we again get 0 points thanks again to self inflicted issues like penalties and dropped passes. You see the theme here? We continuously beat ourselves in all 4 games. These teams weren't "built to beat us", we just too often committed fundamental mistakes that are 100% in our own control. Not to mention, some pretty bad officiating too. I would also note...in those 4 losses we were often missing key players like Star, Spencer, and Feliciano too...all of which had an impact on those games we lost.

Which is why he’s manipulating information to paint the narrative he wants even though it’s not factual. Which is also pretty par for the course for him.

How is TD% of 5.7 in 2020 better than 6.1% is 2021?

He said in comments clearly he meant 2020 vs 2021 and chart shows 2020 vs 2021 No its not. He is literally better in 5 categories and slightly worse in 4. Not to mention, hes a better runner this year too. You just said he is worse in TD%, yet hes better. Its like you didnt even read it. And you said he was unequivocally less efficient, implying its a drastic change...when its not. He is barely lower in those areas, just like hes barely higher in others...so in other words, he is pretty on par with last year. Not drastically worse like you would like people to believe.

Except that is not statistically true. He is literally better in more categories than he is worse compared to last year. His comp % is down just 2 points, mostly from the first few weeks of the season and he has 2 more INTs. But he has more yards, more yards per game, more TD's, less sacks, better TD%, etc. And he is running better this year at a much better YPC too. Sorry, just venting about him doesn't make it true. Josh is pretty on par or better with last year through 11 games. The biggest difference in perception is the two bad games played by the WHOLE team against Jags and Colts being in everyones recent memories. The bigger truth is that our team has consistently shot itself in the foot too many times this year with dumb mistakes and penalties on both sides of the ball. Literally would have been undefeated going into the Colts game had we not killed ourselves against Pitt, Titans and Jags. Even the Colts game got out of hand because of our own mistakes.

Ranks are one thing...what are the actual stats is the better question. Ranks only are in relation to the other teams, doesn't actually show if we are running for more yards per game than last year or throwing for more yards per game, etc. I bring it up, because Josh passing stats are actually better in most categories this year compared to last year. Yet your "ranks" suggest we are producing less through the air. Josh has more passing yards and more passing TD's than he had last year at this time for instance and more passing yards per game. Hard disagree on this one.

While this is great, feels a bit low for the Mafia...hoping we get this over $100,000 at least

Wilson blew it. He could have jogged it on for the 2 point to his left, it was wide open for him. Worse yet, he had DK wide open running along the back of end zone with his hand up. Triple down bad, he was late on the throw to swain or it also would have been complete. Wilson missed 3 easy chances on one play to convert that 2 point conversion.

Has anyone seen any updates on the total so far?

Done. And shared on social media to get more. Anyone got a tally?

While this sucks, we still have a lot of good players in our secondary. We aren’t suddenly going to go from best pass D to worst pass D over this. We are going to need our front 7 to step up now and the offense to find better consistency.

I don’t disagree, losing Tre would be a big loss. But the season isn’t over if so. Most the people in this thread have literally said the season is done if we lose Tre. It most certainly is not. Not to mention, we don’t even know if Tre is lost for the season yet.

No it didn’t. They chose to carry fewer CBs because the guys they kept are all capable. And stop with his “7th round” nonsense. Where a player was selected literally has ZERO relevance on whether they can play. Ask Tom Brady about that. Or Kurt Warner. Or Jason Peters. Or Wyatt Teller. Anytime a fan brings up a players draft slot it just tells me they don’t understand how meaningless draft position is once the draft is over.

Huh? Did you see something somewhere suggesting that?

So since we won, everyone’s turned into a doctor in order to scratch their negative outlook itch instead? 1. Stop diagnosing him, none of you are qualified. It could be a number of things, including something that has him out for the year. But let’s wait until we know before we make doom and gloom predictions. 2. A lot of you under estimate Levi Wallace still. He’s been very good this year, our cupboard is not totally bare where you can proclaim season over without Tre. Dane has shown promise at times too. We have an excellent safety duo still too and LBs who can cover. It will suck if we lost Tre for the year, but doesn’t mean we cant still make a SB run.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/25/report-zack-moss-is-expected-to-be-a-healthy-scratch-for-bills-saints/ Good. Devin and Breida have both looked better than Moss, glad to see Breida is going to be seeing more snaps finally.

What? I don’t know what’s worse…the actual loss or all these people coming out of the dark to post incoherent gibberish all over TSW after a loss who don’t say a peep after wins.

Agree with this too. And not having Star made this matchup worse. It’s also why it’s imperative we don’t keep beating ourselves with bad penalties and mental errors in these tougher matchups.

Then why didn’t the Packers win today without Alexander and Jones? Why didn’t the Titans beat Houston today without Henry? Why did the Niners struggle without key players they previous weeks? Why did the Chiefs D look so bad without Clark? Your statement is absurd and not based on facts or reason. Injuries matter to everyone, and key injuries hurt teams. Period. We lost today and sorely missed Edmunds, Star and Spencer. But we lost today because we keep beating ourselves on all sides of the ball. Thats a good question and the one that MUST be answered then solved. It’s not our “depth” or drafts.

Lol, I know teams have injuries. That’s not what I’m saying is cliche. I’m saying your fact less claim that teams still keep winning when dealing with the loss of key players is cliche. It’s most often not factual.

Did you watch the Baltimore games? They had some low percentage miraculous wins. They won because they DID NOT shoot themselves in the foot like we keep doing every game. It’s NOT their depth and several of those games were against bad teams they barely beat. Again, your statement is cliche, is proven wrong by every other team in the league and every season. You act like all teams missing important players just always keep winning. What happened to the Titans today? Oh yeah, they lost to Tyrod Taylor and the Texans. I mean there are a plethora more examples of good teams dropping games while missing important players. So stop with this cliche, it’s more often false than correct.

People need to stop with the cliche “every team has injuries”. It’s ridiculous statement, because those teams struggle too. That blanket statement is just thrown around without any facts. It’s a fan myth. Facts are, when teams lose key players games get harder to win. It’s been proven time in and time again. Occasionally injuries lead to teams finding new stars and do better than others at times. But no team is just stacked with a full starting caliber roster backing up their starters.

Wrong...most defenses struggle more when missing their key DL player that sets up McD and Fraziers defense, not to mention their captain of the defense at MLB. It was the mental mistakes all 3 phases made today that cost us this game though. No disrespect but I hate the "other teams have injuries" statement. No injuries are equal, no team is built the same way. And most teams with key injuries are having their own struggles, so its never even an accurate statement.

When healthy, we are absolutely a contender. When not healthy we are vulnerable depending on who is out. But we have one major issue...we are committing way way way too many dumb mistakes to beat ourselves. We are our toughest opponent. We continue to leave points on the board and also let opponents have free points because we make untimely mistakes and penalties. 3rd and 2 and going to easily pick it up...play blown dead...false start. Next play holding...suddenly 3rd and 18 instead of TD or FG. Happens way too often like it did today. Several times we would hold them and again a bad penalty gives them a free first down or do over. 3 plays in the first half led to this being a 3 score game at half time. 3rd and 2 false start on our opening drive that led to 3rd and 18 and an INT. We were moving the ball at will at that point, we likely score a TD or at the very least a FG. Instead we give them great field position and they convert into another TD. Next...we had them 3 and out...give them a free first down with penalties. Eventually gives them 3 more points. Then...McKenzie fumble gave them a free TD. Just those 3 plays completely turned the game substantially in their favor. Then we still had a drive to end the half and open the half...both drives killed by mistakes and dropped passes that we self inflicted on ourselves again. This is our BIGGEST issue. We have done this in so many games...its why we lost every game this year coming into this game...Pitt, Tenn, and Jags were all losses that were the result of plays we shot ourselves in the foot with unnecessary and stupid mistakes. For this reason, I feel like we can still compete for and win a SB this year. We need to significantly reduce those kinds of mistakes, and its something we CAN do...and if we do, we are as tough as anyone in the league to beat. Heck, had we just been better on that alone thus far, we would be undefeated coming into this week.