Alphadawg7

not sure I have seen a worst take on this subject...honestly.

Its absolutely fair and warranted to debate, ponder, or question the resigning of him from a cost to cap point of view. Thats true with any player really that has a reasonably sized contract. But Edmunds takes a ton of blame for losses, even in games where he played stellar or was not even the problem...this thread comes back up and all the blame goes to him. I am just saying, raging about Edmunds TODAY about YESTERDAY is a waste of time, he is no where near the top of the list of why we lost yesterday. Does that mean that he should be a lock to comeback or a lock to be gone...no, his future his a worthy one to evaluate and question, especially before we really know what it cost to retain him if they wanted to. But thats not what happens with him, everyone here is mostly piling on him and praying he is gone as if he was the reason we lost, even without a real solution to replace him. This board wanted a lot of other players gone too like London Fletcher blaming him for things that were not always on him either. Just to see him go on to continue to be great elsewhere and finish 2nd in NFL history in tackles. But people here said he sucks and only tackles guys 7 yards down field...sound familiar? I personally would like to see how Edmunds is used by a new DC as I think a lot of what people have an issue with in terms of Edmunds is how he is used.

Well said...its absurd. Same people wanting fire McD for wasting what they see as a sure fire SB are also complaining in other threads Beane sucks. So if the roster is a SB worthy team, how could Beane suck if he built this team? LMAO. Its going to be a LONG offseason of insanity and ridiculous threads. Like what Knox said about Allen..."anyone still doubting him doesn't seem to know a lot about football". I say the same thing...anyone looking at McD and Beane as having done a bad job and needing to be fired, doesn't know as much about football as they think. Not only would McD and Beane both be the top candidates for every open position in the NFL right now if we fired them, but I bet you there are some teams who did NOT fire their HC or GM that would fire them to hire McD or Beane if either suddenly came available tomorrow (which neither is going anywhere obviously).

I see Edmunds is back resuming his Donte Whitner level whipping boy status and shouldering the blame for things that weren't his fault after a loss. Hill burned the secondary for the TD, not Edmunds. Kelce beat Milano for the TD, not Edmunds. Our secondary gave up both passes in the the 13 second FG set up. But, the focus is on Edmunds? I am not saying he is a future HOF guy, but all this "get rid of him" with no one to plug in for him is getting old. Could we upgrade, sure...but that is WAY easier said than done, and the amount of crap he gets for things that had nothing to do with him is mind blowing. He is not even remotely close to why we lost yesterday against the top QB and top team in the league. Heck, Dabolls wussy first half is substantially bigger reason to our loss...the 13 seconds decision to kick out of end zone...Fraziers defensive calls...etc etc. But here we are again, all about Edmunds.

No disrespect, but that is a silly argument and you can say that for either team. If you want to use that logic, then I ask again, why even play OT at all and just give the coin toss winner the victory right away if its each teams fault for plays each other didnt make in regulation. You are treating the coin flip as a punishment that is fitting due to plays one team or the other didn't make in any part of regulation. Literally none of that has any impact on what is a "fair" way to determine the winner of a game. Josh played a near perfect game, but you still want to justify his punishment by saying we could have scored even more points than we did back in the 2nd quarter? What is fair is not blaming OT for WHY we lost. You can always point to something in regulation that could have happened different to avoid OT, that is true for 100% of all OT games that have ever existed for both teams in that game. But it doesn't matter...once you are in OT, its about what is "fair" at that moment to determine a winner. And for some reason, you think chance is fair to both teams as if one teams deserves to be punished because of something that could have done earlier in the game.

But why is it fair? That is what I don't understand how some say it is fair. Two teams work their tails off for an entire year to get to that moment. Both teams lay it all out on the line for 4 quarters and battle to a tie. They are matching each other step for step. So now its fair to take all that hard work, all that effort, all great play and those great players and leave it up to chance to determine who wins? Why even play the OT then, just award the game to the coin flip winner if its best to leave it up to chance. I get it, everyone is entitled to their opinion and thats all good, so I mean no disrespect at all. But as a competitive person who loves competition, I honestly just can not wrap my head around why on the biggest stage, in the biggest games, where its win or go home that its fair for these players and coaches to have a chance play such a big role on all that work. These are people who have sacrificed their bodies, time with their families, dealt with pain and the insane level of commitment to get to this moment, leaving it up to chance just feels like youre stealing something from them. I guess I am way too competitive to see that as fair, and its why I have hated the NFL OT rules since I began watching and loving football as a child.

This. What is with all the sleuths on here today trying to read something into every comment or action by a player to determine their future? I don't think anyone knows anything right now other than that rosters have churn 100% of the time no matter what. The only thing we know is that these players love one another and playing together...and they know not all of them will be back...but doesn't mean they know who or that they themselves are not planning to be back.

Hard disagree. I have been complaining about OT for as long as I have watched football. Anyone who has ever watched one college football game already knows how bad the NFL rules suck. The OT rule is atrocious, always has been. I would have been beating the same drum if we won last night and Mahomes didn't get a shot to be on the field again like in 2018 when I was also screaming the OT rules need to be changed when it happened to Mahomes in the playoffs. I think if you did a poll every year with the fans for the past 25 years...every single year the poll would be in favor of changing the OT rules. I don't know a single person who ever thought an OT game should end on a FG without the other team touching the ball (before they made the rule change) and I don't know a single person today who still thinks its a good idea to let a game end when only one team touched the ball (after a TD in the current rules). Let the great players have their chance to be great. Its the playoffs. I dont have an issue if they keep it the same in the regular season, but just like how there are no ties allowed in post season, the OT rules should be different to allow both teams a chance to win. POINTS win games, so how is it fair that only ONE team gets a chance to get points? And this whole nonsense when people say "well play better defense" is stupid too because had WE won the coin toss, there was a good chance we get a TD too and win the game...meaning the TRUE decided of the game was the COIN FLIP...who ever won that was most likely going to win the game when you have two QB's paying at that level.

I don't mean any disrespect, but if anyone takes this loss harder than a player then they probably need to examine some priorities in their life. Look, this was a devastating loss...but its a game for entertainment, should not change your life one way or the other. But the players are the ones putting in all the work, going through all the pain, fighting for every inch out there. Trust me, as a competitive person myself, nothing is worse than taking place in the loss. As a fan, I sat there in stunned disbelief and disappointment for a couple hours while my fiance graciously cleaned up after our get together while I was just sulking on my phone dealing with hundreds of text messages and on TSW. But then when she was done, we cuddled up and watched a movie and went to bed together and woke up to another day beginning as it always will until it doesn't. Life is too short to over attach oneself to the outcome of a sports game and let it drag you into a dark funk for an extended period of time. As a competitor, I can tell you that I take losses in games I personally play in harder than any sports team I cheer for, and I am not even on the professional level. For example, it eats at me more when I have a bad outing at our regular Saturday basketball game or if I am off in my weekly corn hole game here on Thursdays with friends. Being a competitor and losing always sucks more than cheering for someone and they lose. I am way too competitive, and so are most the players in the NFL, so I am certain those players and coaches are taking it harder than most the fans. At least that should be the case...again if you are taking harder than them, then I think you should take a break as you might be taking fan hood to seriously in this short trip called life.

What is the absolute dumbest part of it...people are raging about McD and the coaches demanding they be fired for wasting what they felt was a sure fire SB birth and probable victory had we beaten the Chiefs. YET: The same people starting threads or in threads saying Beane sucks and is the problem. So we are a SB worth team and roster in one thread...in the next our GM sucks and cant build a team (even though this SB worthy team was literally built by him). Like make up your mind and stay in one lane lmao Its funny how many people around here don't even understand how little sense they make.

I think this is a case of trying to read to much into something where we have no context. This could be him just saying that to Josh after all he did on the field, leaving it all out there for the team. Doesn't necessarily mean he is saying good bye. I mean if he was saying good bye, why would he only do that to Allen and not others he is close with on the team or to the Bills or Bills Mafia in general? So for me, this is nothing other than a show of gratitude for the warrior Allen is. I seriously seriously seriously doubt that anyone in the organization has gone up to McKenzie and told him already he wont be brought back. My 2 cents: Nothing to see here but respect between teammates.

Yeah, I mean at times during games you just sit and wonder if he is about to be benched. Then all of a sudden he will hit someone who makes a big play like Deebo who is amazing after the catch guy. If the Niners had a better QB, not even an elite one, just a better QB, they would be dangerous. Wouldn't surprise me to see someone like Matt Ryan end up there this offseason. I know they drafted their future, but Lance is clearly not ready yet and has actually been worse when filling in for Jimmy so far. Then again, if Lance is showing he is close, maybe they just move on from Jimmy then go sign a FA like Trubisky who is fairly mobile himself to compete with Lance or back him up that can run similar offense to what they would install with Lance (factoring in QB mobility). Either way, Niners fans are counting the minutes until the Jimmy G era is over. Even if they somehow win the SB with Jimmy G, they are ready to move on because like you said, they are winning in spite of him, not so much because of him.

Beane built a perennial SB contender from scratch in essentially 2 years. Guess y’all missed that. He is one of the best GMs in football, it’s stunning how some people forget life before Beane and have such a lack of appreciation for what he’s built. PS: All the same people criticizing Beane saying he hasn’t been good enough are the same people saying our coaches blew a SB this year at end of the game. So Beane builds what you call an almost certain SB champion if not for 13 seconds, but then come in here and say Beane isn’t good enough now. Only on TSW does that make sense.

I badly want Flores for DC, but I think it’s possible he could get a HC offer still. But if not, I would take him at DC in a heartbeat.

Don’t worry about it, you did nothing wrong. Was maybe the best playoff game in decades, possibly ever, and someone had to lose. It is what it is. Congrats on the win, two best QBs in the NFL were on the field last night. I leave that game confident in the fact that Allens time is coming and coming soon. Which is more than we have had for 20+ year stretch. That loss stings and sucks, but we are built to be around a while, and with Allen only 25 we have a lot to look forward to. Mr fiancé is a Niners fan, so now I have to root for them. I told her going from rooting from Allen to Jimmy G is like trading in your Ferrari for a used Honda stick shift with a bad clutch that slips. She agreed haha.

Only laughing stock is absurd posts like this. Utter non sense

One of the worst takes I have ever seen.

Geezus this dumb thread again. It’s like a rash that won’t go away

My personal opinion is that a lot of it stems from Rodgers arrogance. He seems so arrogant about his abilities that it seems like he has a lack of certain urgency in some of these big games, almost like he just assumes he will win. And he also lacks accountability and like you said always wants to do it his way. He tends to blame everyone else after these losses. He is quick to throw others under the bus, and even blamed special teams for the loss yesterday. Yes ST were a part of the loss, but he also managed to lead his team to just 3 points rest of the game after the opening TD drive. Which is why the ST plays were so impactful to the final outcome.

Rodgers issues go way back before that lol. Some of you need to lighten up lol.

Yeah, surprised so many wet blankets around here. Just some light humor lol. And yeah, Rodgers def brings this on himself. Ironically no one complains when BB or Pats get roasted though lol

Manning went one and done an NFL record 9 times in Indy, that is where the criticism came from. And the one SB he won in Indy he beat Rex Grossman. He would follow that up later with a second SB but got blown out 31-7 by Saints. He compounded the reputation by fielding the greatest offense in NFL history with Denver and reaching his third SB just to get blown out again by the Seahawks. At that point…9 times one and done in playoffs with Indy (NFL record), 3 SB appearances, 2 blow out losses despite having either the best offense in the NFL or best in history. Thats why he got criticism, stacked teams and either didn’t advance or did and got blown out. In his 2 SB losses, his offenses totaled 15 points combined. He dispelled that in a way with his 2nd and final SB being a victory even though Broncos defense and run game are why they won. Manning had the worst game in Super Bowl history by a winning QB. No TDs, 1 Int, 140 yards passing. Manning was also amongst the lowest rated passers overall that year, he was just done for the most part. All that matters is he got his 2nd ring. A win is a win. But his reputation for not being clutch in the playoffs was reasonable given how often his teams stalled. But unlike Rodgers, he at least made the big dance 4 times and will forever be the better QB between the two because of it.

There are some real gems in here, haha the internet never fails 😂🤣😂 https://bleacherreport.com/twitter-roasts-aaron-rodgers-

I didn’t say he is small compared to Beasley. I said because he is small he is going to need to be able to beat people on his routes if he wants to replace Beasley effectively. I said Cole is an elite route runner with exceptional hands. He is small too, but he excels because of those two attributes. Not to mention, Cole is pretty tough when it comes to YAC and getting that third down conversion. So again, if McKenzie wants to excel as a starting slot WR like Cole, and be a focal point of an offense, he is going to need to excel at winning his routes and having good hands like Cole has done.

Congrats to Schoen, I think this is a great hire by the Giants. Our FO has been one of the best in the NFL, if he takes what he learned here from Beane there, I think the Giants are in good hands. With this not being seen as a strong QB class, I think its at least possible the Giants see what a new coach can do with Jones this year and use their ammo to rebuild the trenches first. If they do take a QB this draft, the guy I would keep an eye on is Malik Willis. And like many have said, Daboll makes a lot of sense for Schoen, but Daboll might have some more attractive situations still offered to him too. I see a lot of talk about Cole and McKenzie...my hats off to McKenzie, he has really made a nice impact in some games lately. I will however caution people though...its one thing to produce when teams are not prepared or game planning to take you out of a game...its a whole other thing when you are one of the focal points in the offense. Cole is an ELITE route runner and has exceptional hands. To just assume Mckenzie could slide into his role where teams focus on stopping him every week is premature still. Yes he is explosive, but he is small, and for him to excel in Cole's role, he will need to constantly beat people on routes and make those big catches. Cole is one of the most (and maybe the most) effective third down weapon in the NFL because of his ability to make people look silly in short spaces and fight for yards on YAC. That being said, with McKenzie having some strong play, and Knox and Davis emerging as legit weapons, I think its at least possible now that Cole be somewhere else next year. Still not sold Cole wont play out his last year here though, but its not out of the question anymore. Cole is someone I can see Schoen coveting to bring in, especially if they are going to see if they can help Daniel Jones or rookie QB out. So it wouldn't surprise me anymore if Cole isn't back next year, and Giants now to me make a lot of sense as a trade partner if so. Maybe its in a deal that includes Barkley given Giants cap issues too.