GaryPinC

Yeah, honestly can never say never. But, I have a big problem with Laundrie abandoning his dead fiancee so easily. I'd want justice.

It does provide true immunity, you are the one pretending because this is not the real question. The real questions are in what circumstances does it provide true immunity and how long will it last? These are the exact same questions with natural immunity.

No. What's going on is far too many of us want black and white hard rules on this virus. That's impossible. What's going on is the virus is very widely circulating which increases mutations. It's changing and science is learning. Science is not a black and white hard rules system. It's shades of gray that trend to either black or white over long periods of time which require many studies and more studies and discussion to build on previous results. The mRNA vaccines were a rare home run, closest thing to black or white against previous versions of the virus. They stopped or limited both infection and transmission over 90% of the time. That is simply amazing. Since delta, this efficacy has slipped, not failed, but slipped lower. And to be expected from a mutating virus to survive. But the ignorant black and whiters like to condemn the vaccines as useless now. Of course the CDC and virus extremists are their own problem, convinced you can stamp this out if you just distance, mask, vaccinate. The reality is we need to get this virus out of wide circulation to slow the mutation rate through vaccinations worldwide, distancing and masking indoors. Then, we can avoid mass outbreaks and bring things under better control. What's the measuring stick? Hospitalizations and the taxing on our healthcare system. For states not governed by extremist numbnuts, you tighten up as the health care strain increases and loosen as it wanes. I am fully vaccinated but wear KN-95 masks when in indoor public spaces. Why? Because paper/cloth masks offer almost no self-protection and are only effective if everyone wears them (as my school district found out this fall). I also believe the KN-95 makes a statement in doing my part to limit viral circulation. Don't get me wrong, I totally get and respect people who are vaccinated and feel they don't have to mask, they've done the biggest part.

So, in terms of weird circumstances that may mean Laundrie didn't shoot Gabby, there's one somewhat far-fetched possibility: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/09/08/women-killed-moab-told/ Some people have been trying to tie Laundry to this crime as well, but these women had noticed a "creepy guy" near their campsite before their paths ever crossed with Laundrie. If it had been Laundrie, there would have been an incident in Moab when their paths crossed at the bar. Both women were found in a creek, multiple gunshots to the back and side, naked from the waist down. From what I have heard about Petito's death, it was somewhere near a creek. Really far-fetched that whatever creeper was at Moab came across and killed Gabby at Spread Creek but I suppose it's possible. It still doesn't justify Laundrie's strange behavior. Him leaving the scene probably destroyed any hope of evidence, and I think if he goes to trial for it his behavior will work against a jury far more than if he had sought out authorities after he discovered the crime.

My hospital has had nurse staffing challenges since at least early summer because of burnout/leaving. One of the biggest reasons for nurses leaving was to become an independent contractor and earn 1.5-2 times the money. This was well before a vaccine requirement.

I agree it's going to be a difficult case to prove without a confession. I don't understand why you're so caught up in unrealistic alternative scenarios. Laundrie's actions are not that of an innocent man who just lost his fiancee to an odd outside circumstance. This is his fiancee. He told no one, was hitchhiking out, then went back and drove across country, using up some of her money. If he was truly innocent, his lawyer would know conviction would be difficult, especially if once home he turned himself in, explained it as a freakout, and started assisting law enforcement to solve the crime. His family would urge him to do the right thing also, as any parent would feel for the Petito family. No, instead they helped him escape. Laundrie also had no outstanding warrants and no prior criminal history or it would have come out. There's only one explanation for the sum of the actions of him and his family.

Haha, actually right now this case right now reminds me of the white Bronco "chase" . Of course. You're an anonymous hit man in the middle of nowhere surrounded with countless wilderness acres and you opt to threaten the fiancee instead of just offing the both of them. 🤔

For me, she is a version of a younger Brent Musburger. Annoying voice, constantly trying to force spots to hype and inject vocal excitement that makes her voice even more annoying. It took Brent about 20 out of his 27 years to finally meter himself enough for me to listen to him. Cripes, I hope it doesn't take Beth as long. So sad that some reflexively turn to sexism as an excuse for her incompetence.

I'd love to be open-minded on this one, but your fiancee goes missing and you pack it up and head home then refuse to aid search and rescue efforts in any way? No, they were hoping authorities would be unable to find the body and to just lay low for a year or two. Just in case the body is found, they decide to go hide him somewhere. I think the Reserve was a ruse. But we'll see.

For me, it's a fascinating story on so many levels. I've done that type of road trip to some of the same areas,dispersed camping, etc. Then there's the first reports from her family, where the reflex response was he did it. Then the details painfully start to fill in that obvious conclusion while law enforcement is helpless to take action when it matters most. The fact that the entire family refuses to take any responsibility for the situation. I can't imagine the utter frustrating anger of the Petito family watching helplessly as that inhuman family pretends it's not their problem while helping their son slither away. I doubt Laundrie killed himself, but definitely want to know how it ends and any other details. A tragedy still unfolding in real time. Truly sad, but I also find it amazingly fascinating.

They said the image is a local guy, ID'd by a neck tattoo.

Certainly he would need to be found guilty first. But she was living with them and their future daughter-in-law. No way I would allow my son to hide then enable his escape from the situation regardless of his role. Who knows if he's truly in Carlton Reserve or someone picked him up later and drove him elsewhere? As far as his guilt or innocence, he went back to pick up the vehicle and drove it home without alerting anyone. So ironic that a YouTube video from Spread Creek was crucial to authorities.

I hope some of his family goes to prison also for their cowardice and obstruction.

I have kind of a different angle, I'd like a moderated subforum in PPP that focuses on solid discussion. No memes, no social media sources and warnings for posters who are only posting to disrupt a thread, or crusading. Then keep the unregulated forum for the regular zinger jousting.

What's truly bad about it is it happens on both the right and left and both sets of sheep point fingers at the other side but never themselves. And truly pathetic that each set of sheep considers their ignorance more reasoned and intellectually superior to the opposing sheep😂

Reading your thoughts, I come away with two distinct impressions. 1. You feel that the delta variant is now being contracted and spread routinely by the vaccinated and 2. That natural infection/immunity would push Covid to mutate to a less deadly form. Neither is true (at least at this point). Keeping it simple, WRT 1, just because delta has shown an increase of infection/transmission in the vaccinated doesn't mean it has completely broken down these vaccine-mediated protections. Science can change over time, but at this point the delta surge is very much a surge in the unvaccinated. WRT 2, viruses infect, replicate, and mutate. The more it circulates, the more it mutates. Immunity, whether induced or natural, reduces circulation. Delta, or any of the other subtypes, did not occur because of vaccination, they occured because of widespread circulation. There's truth to what you're trying to say about a natural course resulting in some kind of stasis, but what is the cost of allowing this to happen? In 18 or so months, Covid-2 has proven the ability to overwhelm healthcare systems multiple times with multiple mutated subtypes around the world. The least harmful/lethal way to any kind of stasis with Covid is mass vaccination coupled with any natural immunity picked up along the way. Kill circulation and thus mutation, then see what is needed to keep it at bay.

Keep in mind this phenomenon also happens irregularly at all the great lakes and may account for some of the sightings in this thread: https://www.abc57.com/news/mirage-of-chicago-skyline-seen-from-michigan-shoreline

Well, their logo is far better than the baseball team's choice.

Levy was a very good coach but our defense got run roughshod by the Giants then same by Washington the next year. At that point, a great coach would have realized to take that next step you needed to step up and jettison Walt Corey for a new DC.

Apologies, I was thinking Nick Chubb the Browns RB, drafted later that round, forgot about Bradley🤪! Makes more sense now. What I understand from it is that if you need a quarterback, put every priority into it until you find that franchise guy, even if you just drafted a QB last year. Credit to Arizona and their way out of the Rosen mess. And they suckered in Miami to boot!

Sure, I certainly understand and agree with all your points. I was more responding to this line of yours: "What still gets me is that the teams ahead of the Bills didn't see it. They were interviewing him and taking him out to dinner, and yet they liked Mayfield and Darnold and Barkley and Chubb better." I was attempting to say that I understand the Browns taking Mayfield over Allen at the time. From the sound of the Browns FO, he was the most impressive one to them in the process. They put a lot of weight on his leadership for running his workout day, among other things. And despite his lesser physical attributes and more boisterous personality than Allen, he was far more impressive with his decisions, accuracy, consistency and mental speed for the game than Allen in college. Totally with you on Darnold and Barkley though. The Browns liked Chubb better because they had just drafted Mayfield.

Walt Corey was badly outcoached in every one. And yet Marv stuck with him. That's on Marv, much as I love him.

I will be the first to admit that Mayfield hasn't arrived yet, but I also don't blame the Browns for picking him over Allen. He also has a lot of intangibles beyond his outspoken personality, and his excellent accuracy and ability to recognize blitzes and defenses in college. We should find out this year if he was even worth that pick. Josh made some very unintelligent throws in college also. EJ Manuel bad. There was still a significant leap-of-faith drafting him, IMO.

If Allen is handing the ball off half the game (or more), it means we are in firm control of the game and saving wear and tear on Allen for when he is really needed. I'll take that every time.

I understand why you feel that way. As I live in Cleveland, I would offer this perspective: 2018: Baker Mayfield came in to Hue Jackson as HC, followed by Gregg Williams when he really started to light it up. 2019: HC Freddy Kichens was a disaster and that offense took a huge step back, not just Mayfield. 2020: HC Stefanski got things straightened out, Mayfield was about 70% game manager, 30% leader due to that punishing ground game of theirs. I thought Baker was very composed in the playoffs until late in KC. That was his first year there and the Browns could have taken KC. Now Baker will finally have the same coaching staff for the second year in a row. I expect him to take that long overdue leap, but it may not happen that often because of that ground game they have. This is the year to see if he's the real deal. I think he is, but he's a different QB from Allen. I think Allen will always be considered the better QB in terms of putting a team on his back because his scrambling makes him a more complete player. Mayfield's smart and a slightly quicker decision maker. Probably will be slightly more accurate also. Browns have strong OL, dominant running game and dominant D-line. Strong receivers also. They've spent the offseason retooling LB and DB through FA and draft. It's between us, KC and CLE. I do believe barring significant injury CLE can take KC, and us too if we don't respect them.