GaryPinC

No problem. You definitely need the help.

Perhaps you could refrain in calling someone else stupid until you've at least mastered elementary school-level English? You're welcome to keep doing it of course, anyone of any intelligence is simply laughing at your perceived authority to judge someone else.

I agree in general with what you're saying, but "top tier talents" is complex, encompassing more than just the physical. I'd say a number of top drafted (top tier) QBs simply weren't good enough for different reasons. EJ Manuel simply was never good enough, whatever the reason. He was inaccurate for starters. Neither was Christian Hackenburg and Tim Tebow, just to name a few. Some talented QB's simply aren't motivated or passionate enough. But you take a QB with the mental and physical skillset and is supremely driven to succeed, they will find away well over 90% of the time I believe. I see it all the time at my job with aspiring physicians. They plan, they volunteer, they seek out every possible opportunity to set up and help their future career and most of all getting the opportunities is their top priority and this passion is tested informally as part of their acceptance into med school, residency, etc.

Timely to this discussion and interesting because Daboll seemed to have been given a lot of credit for developing Allen: https://thevikingage.com/daniel-jones-says-what-every-vikings-fan-knew-about-minnesota-coaching-staff "Yeah I think just being around Kevin (O'Connell), being around Josh McCown, Grant Udinski there. I learned a lot from them. The biggest thing I took away from there was the preparation and how detailed they were in the game plan, how much they prepare for certain looks, checks they had, motions to undress the defense. I mean every little thing they were going over they were walking through. It was very, very detailed, high level 'Here's what we're expecting. Here's what we're going to do to it' and the preparation, day-to-day throughout the week was really impressive to me." “The biggest thing I took away from there was the preparation and how detailed they were in the game plan.” - Former #Vikings QB Daniel Jones on his time in Minnesotapic.twitter.com After a good performance against Miami by Jones, got to wonder if Daboll was really so instrumental in Allen's development?

Yes, sorry, I meant smug about Josh winning the award. Just saying reality bit him in the ass, if he didn't appreciate why Josh won MVP over him last year. https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/lamar-jackson-josh-allen-mvp-vote-contract-isaiah-likely-charlie-kolar-2025 "The voters chose who they wanted to pick," Jackson said. "It is what it is. It is what it is." Sometimes not. I believe if we were playing the Chiefs, and the Bills were in the Ravens situation, McDermott would go for it. And I would applaud him even if it failed. Deny Mahomes the last possession in a 3 point or less game. 13 seconds says hello.

😂 Come on. Do you really believe Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen don't become superstar quarterbacks if not for their particular coaches and organizations? Who's the one being ludicrous and crazy? I don't follow Mahomes closely enough, but Brady and Allen are/were both almost maniacal in their pursuit of greatness. Josh is far more pleasant about it than Brady, but his teammates always caution how Josh is hyper-competitive. If they had landed in a NY Jets situation, it would have slowed their career ascension but they would have either forced their way out or figured it out eventually. I do believe bad coaching/organizations can break some quarterbacks, but not guys like these. Just hold them back a bit. Passion, vision, and leadership of the QB have to be factored in with their on-field skills. Baker Mayfield is a great example of this. The way the Browns chewed and spit him out would have broken less self-motivated QB's. But he recovered nicely, even if he was never and will never (IMO) be in the top echelon of talented QBs. Mahomes showed a great attention to mastering details of the game in college and made really intelligent decisions on the fly, even though TT was known for its system QB's. I put a lot of faith in that, so felt strongly he would make it at the NFL level. Reid is a best case scenario for that but hardly the only one. Buffalo, for example, would have done great with Mahomes. Not every QB is as self-motivated at the highest level as these guys, so to your (and the article's) point, it's crazy and ludicrous that organizations don't put together the plan, structure and flexibility to help these less self-motivated guys gain their confidence and ultimately succeed.

The best part about this is Lamar bore witness to who was actually the better QB that game. I like Lamar and highly respect him and his game. But I think he feels he should have won MVP last year because of his stats and feels he was the better QB, and that's ok. But the look of exhaustion and disbelief on his face in the waning moments Sunday night and when he met up with Josh after was priceless. I don't think he'll be quite as smug towards Josh moving forward. Enjoy your stats Lamar, we'll enjoy the victory!

The fact is Josh needed to.put more air under that ball so Coleman could high point it. It’s the new NFL PI calls. If the DB has good position, sees and is making a play for the ball they let a lot of handfighting go. Equal opportunity, and I like it even though it worked against us in this case.

My criticism of those who glorify McD is that they fail to recognize where he hasn't shown continued and consistent growth as a head coach, and that is his over-reliance and lack of creativity with his defensive system in now his 9th season. I am not in favor of firing him at this point because I recognize the amazing culture he's set up and his growth with his offensive philosophy. But after 9 seasons we're not allowed be criticizing his lack of growth with his defensive philosophy that keeps failing us in the playoffs? If we're going to win a superbowl he needs to change it. I'm already encouraged because he discussed living with mistakes his younger players will make playing up to speed this year. Damar Hamlin is on the bench Those are steps in the right direction. Ditto to bringing in some beef to our D-line in the near future. Hopefully it's message received no matter the source. I wouldn't agree he outcoached Harbaugh by a mile. Most definitely in the fourth quarter though, where it counts!

Agree about the personnel, but not about Bernard's play. He did the right thing. If he had stood in the gap like a D lineman he would have still been taken out by the center. LB's job is to shoot those gaps and try and get to the RB before he gets up to speed, especially Derrick Henry. It didn't help Baltimore already outnumbered our guys 5 to three as Bernard tried to slip by as guy #4.

That's all you see out of this? Sheesh. Let's start with the obvious. Our D line gets utterly manhandled by Baltimore. Blown off the LOS and some turned. On the left side (O side). It's 4 on 3 with a fullback on the way, so Linderbaum peels off to take care of Bernard. That's a center on a LB. TB was doing was doing what he was supposed to, he's fine IMO. What are the real problems I see? ---You've got a weak side receiver who seems to occupy 4 defenders (Strong, Milano, Bishop, Rapp) with Strong weakly coming down the line but too far away. Milano and Rapp both seem to be held by the receiver, Rapp specifically looks that way. --Benford is covering no one and makes no effort to go meet the play. --Milano seems frozen by the receiver then walled off by a monster o-lineman. Never had a chance. --Rapp inexplicably backs up, over-respecting the weak side receiver then is too far away to crash the line with Benford. For this particular play, I feel Benford and Rapp did the worst. In general our defensive plan in the secondary was extremely poor. Whether it was poor or miscommunication vs Baltimore knowing how to exploit our defensive system, I don't know. But Bernard did what he was supposed to do. And Bishop respecting the weak side receiver. The rest?🤷‍♂️

Agree, I just hope Poyer is spending the most time tutoring Hancock. If he has the instincts, I think he will learn very quickly from his mistakes, much quicker than Bishop. Sean may have to live with mistakes to get the tandem ready for playoffs. Him and Beane dug this hole. Find a ladder out.

One of the biggest problems was their O-line seemed to get to the second level at will. Hopefully Hoecht and Ogunjobi help correct this. I was also overall impressed with Bosa's pass rush. Definitely collapsed a lot of pockets last night and thought I saw him being double-teamed at times in the second half. Very disappointed with Rapp, I don't think he's cerebral enough to lead that tandem and both of them suck at anticipating. I think you push Hancock in every way possible, as he showed some instincts and anticipation in preseason, then work him in with even a modicum of comfort level. I just don't think Bishop and Rapp are complementary enough. I think coaches need to find someone else to pair out there.

Well NewEra, If you want to assume we've got the win in the bag if we meet in the playoffs this year, I totally get it. I can't say I share that opinion. Even with multiple turnovers they were right there at the end last year.

Fair point, certainly coachimg quality was slipping toeards the end of Paterno's tenure, but I'd like to see a national championship at some point. Franklin has none, and most every year the team is inadequate against OSU and or UM. He just seems too conservative in the big games.