HardyBoy

Why, you think his teammates will start getting turned on thinking about how someone might potentially find them attractive? That would be super awkward! Do you shower in the gym with people you don't know? If you suddenly did know someone was gay, would you run out of there covering your junk? June must be a real tough time because of all the people wearing flags in solidarity of pride month...july can't get here fast enough, eh? All serious questions.

If there was some kind of physical characteristic of being gay, I'm not entirely sure things would be all that different. How about we set this imperfect line...if the nazis did crazy unethical scientific research on a demographic group you are a part of, you don't need to justify gains in societal acceptance...

Lol, I'm not crazy, you're crazy! Except you can measure the wavelengths of light coming off an object and see that all other wavelengths get absorbed by the object, except the wavelength corresponding to the color people see. You really honestly think there hasn't been a ton of research on this stuff, come on now.

If I'm colorblind and can't perceive blue, my perception is wrong.

I would argue the primary virtue signaling I've seen in this thread is in the "why is this news?" contingent. How would you feel if someone told your brother to get out of a communal shower because they knew he was gay? How would he feel? Also, my guess is your brother is laughing about people who suddenly feel like they made some major personal achievement because they retweeted this news. Otherwise it sounds like he is minimizing the challenges gay people face, which I'm assuming is not the case. The Trevor Project or Dan Savage's It Gets Better Project aren't a thing if there wasn't a need for it. It does sound like your brother had a really supportive situation though based on the tiniest amounts of subtext, but careful applying that to everyone.

That could just as easily be that all the people you know who haven't come out play sports. Plus, there absolutely could be data on that, come on. Also, how well do you know all 10 of these men? Like you talked at a party, or are they like close relatives that you're on good terms with?

You have any data whatsoever to support your claim that being gay makes someone less masculine, and that fewer would play football? Please don't point to ballet or something to prove your point. There are certain sports society deems as acceptable for boys to play, and the implication is if a boy wants to do dancing or figure skating then they must be gay. My sons will do whatever they are interested in (sports, theater, music, art) and if anyone has a problem with that go judge elsewhere and I'll be plenty content with the knowledge my kids will not resent me for making them change who they are as humans to fit some arbitrary version of themselves that they think will gain my love and validation. So, so, so sad people would twist like a pretzel to protect the idea of immature high school boys thinking someone might stare at their junk and judge them (the irony is the normalization of that behavior against women in movies like porkys as being boys will be boys) instead of thinking about the child in that situation who could be going through potentially crisis levels of stress and loneliness. This isn't about being woke. It's about being ok with someone being in potential crisis emotional situations and instead of being compassionate, it's saying that person might look at me naked so lets ostracize them. That's legit awful, at best going to lead to long term emotional issues and potentially going to lead to suicide. There's no excuse for that. It sort of makes someone who would knowingly perpetuates that form of thinking an objectively bad person. (edit: I'm not talking about you specifically cba fan or the comment that masculine people aren't gay/ wont play football...talking about adults in general who would ostracize a teenager from their peers because they find something icky or whatever).

You have a picture of your wife and kids up at work (assuming you're married with kids...if not think about the person who sits next to you)? How exactly is you telling people you got engaged to your future wife as a guy any different than if you said you were engaged to someone of the same sex?

Here's the scary part (for you) then. I just saw a recent study that said something like only 63% of gen z consider themselves entirely heterosexual, compared to 80% plus for every older generation up to like 95%+ of the greatest generation. It's too quick and big of a shift between millennials and gen z for that to be environmental factors like flame ######ants. My money is on that is always how things have been, and you'd just get dragged behind a truck if you did what this dude just did and come out (still happens places). Or told it's cool, be who you are totally, we're just going to ostracize you, because "plain facts." So curious how sports are even still possible these days...people must be getting dressed in their cars to avoid the stares :\ Kinda makes you wonder about all the locker rooms you've been in and all the people definitely not potentially interested in men. Or...makes you maybe wonder why you are protecting your psyche so much from potentially having someone think a thought in their own head (you didn't even say act on any attraction...freaking thought police much). Oh man, what would happen if you found out years later that a teammate came out, and they gulp, had seen you naked in the shower...ahhhhh the horror! Also, i played sports all through high school and a bit in college, I'm 37...i have never showered naked once with teammates in any sport I've ever played, not once. Also, there are teen coed showers in Europe from what I understand, and they don't devolve into full on orgies at all, it's just nudity...I genuinely think you'd have been just fine, and my hope is your fear of being seen in the shower alone with someone who was openly gay in turn leading to rumors about you would be lower on your priorities than sticking up for a teammate that was getting bullied.

Ok, well you should be talking to the people that view him differently then, because people absolutely will now unfortunately.

If he was out somewhere holding hands with his boyfriend, and tmz was there, what exactly do you think happens? If he was doing this for attention, it would have happened already. He likely wants to go out in public and didn't want someone else to come out for him by breaking the news.

Trashing his brand with who?

I stopped using it entirely (not installed on my phone), but it was great when I first started using it (i was a fairly late adopter) and followed a very few people. Best personalized and curated newspaper ever at that early point. Then followed more and more people and turned into a fire hose of stuff and made it hard to find the real good content, and real easy to waste time making dumb comments to people, so I quit. Ironically, it is a really good way to deal with legit issues you are having with a corporation. You will get the attention of the organization if you do it right, and someone will reach out typically.

Thank you for cutting me off, got sucked in there for a bit! Genuinely, I don't even know what I really think about the situation yet. Wanted to try the argument from Beasley's point of view on for size as devil's advocate, and ended up digging in on it a bit more than I planned. Oh boy though based on the points people made here he's gotta be getting blasted on Twitter.

Cool, so you think morality and treating others morally is dependent on their making the right choices? That is a very, very slippery slope. Who decides what's right? And no, the protocol is for covid19 safety, one of the options for which is vaccines. The other is not getting vaccinated and following much stricter guidelines. Those guidelines are not sufficient to protect the players that they are design to protect to a pretty significant degree...I'd argue getting vaccinated is way less risky (with what we know right now) than the risk of an unvaccinated player catching covid from a vaccinated teammate. Also, he would be right to say this if he was vaccinated too. There is a potential gap in the protocol. If you don't want to let unvaccinated players play, fine make it a rule. They didn't, they implemented a protocol. That protocol is insufficient. I would be sticking up for a teammate/coworker at work if my company said everyone had to come in and protocols allowed vaccinated people who are not socially distancing hang out with unvaccinated people without masks. Did we suddenly stop caring if someone making a dumb choice gets sick and passes it to an unvaccinated pregnant woman, young child, someone not able to get vaccinated? Or was it that some people only cared when they felt the innocent person would be them or someone close to them?

Health and safety protocols are not vaccine related though. That's like saying we're not going to talk about concussions, and then say a player is going against that if they suddenly said helmets were no longer a requirement for some players. There are people who cannot get vaccinated as well, even if they wanted to. Also, you can't force someone to get vaccinated...that is a given, just is what it is. With that as a given, there is still a moral responsibility to look out for people. For all we know, he is diligently socially distancing and still has not seen a bunch of family because he is choosing not to get vaccinated. Or maybe he's doing none of that, I have no idea. You don't get a pass on being a moral empathetic human who follows the golden rule because the person in a specific situation made a arguably dumb decision case in point: Oh wow, you walked out on that thin ice and fell through...ooof that was pretty dumb wasn't it...yeah, you read the sign and ignored it didn't you...ok well that's on you, but good luck with that...

There is zero chance this changes if he keeps it in the locker room. This is not a question of discussing the value of vaccines publicly. He's talking about how the policies enacted by ownership and the union leadership, in which he had no input and no amount of in locker room talk would change are putting him and his family at risk.

This isn't anti-process. He's concerned about the health of himself and his family. Have to imagine McD puts family over team in the hierarchy of importance.

Was anxiety an auto correct?

meh, it's day 1 of mini camp and no idea what lead to the picks, good throws/bad throws, on the receivers/qbd, etc. That said...hahaha poor dolphin fans!

Everyone's allowed a loud wrong take every now and then. Alright, the Hopkins, yes Dustin Hopkins, decision wasn't the worst in years and I did think of Carpenter right after I posted. That said, Carpenter began regressing to the mean basically the following year in the end and Hopkins is on the way to be a top 15 kicker for a decade. Beane kept Bass this time around, in a somewhat similar situation.

Hopkins was by far the bigger miss and forced the Bills to spend a valuable pick on a kicker. I am a huge Bass fan, but you could almost make an argument that the Bills traded Teller because they spent a 5th on a kicker (edit before it gets called out: Bass and Hopkins were both 6th rd picks), and needed to trade teller to get back the extra pick in a way. Granted, i think Beane knew he wanted to trade a first for a valuable receiver at some point and figured he would need the extra pick for Teller to make the trade work...I doubt it was random that the pick received for Teller was later used in a trade, guessing that was on purpose. Anyway, forget all this other talk of misreading talent...Hopkins might be the biggest talent miss, where the player went on and did great elsewhere that I can recall in many, many years.

Nice! Lax is really fun to play...so many different ways to be good. This league is super interesting in that they all travel together and play a bunch of games in one place...like a tournament each week basically. I think at least, I was reading about a new league that was starting a bit back and assuming this is the one, especially with the lack of a city in the team name.

Well said...I think people are still stuck in the old frame of mind of what failing to sign a free agent meant in the past. As someone else mentioned, Bills were the top competitor to the Cardinals. They offered the least of all the named teams. This tells me Watt wanted to come to buffalo, and the bills decided that the value they placed on the position was better spent on rookie DEs high in the draft, which likely accounts for the gap between the contracts. Yes, they literally failed to sign Watt...this is not the same as Gilmore or Woods not wanting to sign here being the cause for failing to sign someone. The bills controlled the outcome and it was their choice. Still they tried, just the non-monetary benefits didn't sound like they quite made up for the business side.

Do you think something that could help with that would be designing plays where the best way Knox could turn the play into a 30yd yac is if he attacks the ball as a way to use the defender's momentum against him? Seems like what you're describing doesn't happen if he attacks the ball to make the catch. If you're sitting out there waiting for the ball, I could see your hips start turning early, leading to your head to turn a fraction of a second early. I guess, is it it possible to attack the ball more even on a seam route, where he is bending his route a bit to give Allen a better throwing angle? No football relevant experience, but I played striker in soccer and we would bend runs all the time to create more space, give our teammates a wider passing angle and most importantly, allow us to be able to come back to the ball with suddenness...you wait for a ball in soccer instead of attacking it at the high point basically, your coach is gonna bench you pretty quick. Should the coaches say we love that you're being aggressive, you need to make sure that starts with the catch as well...attack the ball knox...go catch it instead of letting the ball catch you. Hopefully that's what he's doing this summer. With a ping pong ball, you don't wait for it...you figure out where it's going to be and you catch the fing ball. You reach out and hit the ball into your palm and use that momentum to keep control of the ball while you close your hand around it...if you're letting the ball hit your palm and then try and catch, it's most likely bouncing off before your hand can register and close. Hope that makes sense, my youngest is getting all four canine teeth and the last week and a half have been a trip, but gives me a chance to post on here at 4am!