HardyBoy

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/betting-trends/giants-@-bills.cfm/date/10-04-15/time/1300 I found that...what does it mean?

I just found the over/under at 47 and 43 two different places. That definitely raises some questions with regards to some of those late calls. Remember Donaghy was really trying to influence over/under more than who covers. Gotta figure the best way to hedge that game would be pick the bills to cover and take the under. If the bills win, it's likely running away so they would cover, and if they lose it's likely going under. Going into the fourth the bills weren't covering (shoot at halftime they were pretty much not covering), so anyone hedging there bets is hoping the bills get no calls, lose their composure and get called for all sorts of crazy penalties shooting themselves in the foot and keeping points off the board. The Giants being up, just run out the clock...crazy that's exactly what happened for the most part, until they inexplicably threw on third down (picked) with a chance to ice the game with a field goal. That's when the penalties really started too. Where can we find the betting trends on the game? This really does seem fishy.

What was the over/under in the bills giants game? Also, you have to figure they emphasized keeping the bills on a short leash to the refs leading up to the game all week. Gotta figure the bills were getting most of the action gambling wise, the over seemed a pretty sure lock and the team had a reputation of over aggressiveness after the play. If someone knew that the refs were instructed to call the game tight, that certainly would make the giants a much better bet, and the under a more likely outcome. Even if the points weren't taken off the board by those penalties, the bills weren't covering going into the fourth quarter. It certainly raises questions.

Did you see how quickly they picked up chunks of yards when things started clicking? The d shut down the giants for stretches of that game, and the giants were still trying to score. Whaley has a long term plan and vision, and the fact that a short term result was crap doesn't make the plan crap. This isn't like the other bills teams that started hot and ended up flaming out, kind of like the jets now, where everything needs to go right and in a small sample size you look like world beaters. This is a different team.

I'm sure this is answered already, but I just got to this post. If every player in the league picks the same player, their points cancel out for everyone. It's like the ncaa tournament this year. Anyone who picked Kentucky was a sucker...most likely right, even though they lost, but still a sucker. That's because since everyone picked Kentucky, had they won everyone would have gotten the points and it made scoring correctly in the early rounds super important...no room for error. The nfl single week fantasy leagues have no early round, you only pick maybe 10 players so everyone picking the same lineup as anyone else can only tie. This is a huge deal if true, basically means it's rigged, especially since if they are showing that are willing to cheat, they are likely willing to trade that information or possibly rope refs in to help influence scoring...Ingram getting that td vultured last night for example.

Unless you're the Bills of course...

They kick a field goal there and it's over...instead interception and 14 bills points called back by penalties prevented a very different discussion. Was a much worse decision than Eli throwing it away in week 1 imo.

Exactly, the goal should not be to just make the playoffs and lose in the first game (being down in South Florida, that is/was pretty much the hope for the Dolphins). This team is too talented for that. The goal is a deep playoff run, and they cannot achieve that without going through growing pains and overcoming adversity. So much better this happens now than late in the season when it's too late to make adjustments and the opponents can duplicate what they see on film as working. Plenty of time to adjust and make counters, and plan for the counters to the counters.

As far as Rex's comments of being proud. We have no idea what he is saying to the team when the cameras are off, but I can pretty much promise you he is not using the word proud. Remember how Philbin created a QB controversy last year for saying something honest? Much better to make himself the story in this situation, and lay into the team hard during the week. Honestly, he probably isn't going to have to do much of that anyway. You think the players don't realize it is unaccepatble? They will correct this internally and not in the media. I think what's happening is we are all so angry about the number of penalties, many of which were ticky tacky by the way, that we want to hear someone put our feelings into words and throw the team under the bus. Rex is not that kind of coach, and this will be a better team in the long run for it. I do agree that approach is quite unsatisfying today, but a head on a stake will not make us feel too much better, and certainly won't make this team better.

The players are going to have to hold each other accountable. From the postgame sounds like KW is already on it.

I can't even imagine the razors edge that must be, in terms of playing with such extreme emotion and passion, but having to stop as soon as a whistle blows...humans aren't wired that way. That's the thing, they have to play basically to the very edge of control and the extra energy from the crowd, which is amazing, might be the tiny little nudge that pushes them over the ledge. Brown hopefully doesn't get suspended btw, don't think he should, but he put his hands on an official and was somewhat lucky he didn't get ejected. The ref he touched was the one that threw the flag.

This is different...there is a clear plan and it is being executed.

Better to struggle early in the year and learn from the mistakes than to be a paper tiger waiting to be exposed in November. Ask the Jets in a month and a half how that feels. If this team has a chance to do anything special, which I think is possible, they need to go through and overcome adversity. Much rather that be now than a must win game where they are making those mistakes for the first time...Syracuse basketball a few years back when they were undefeated for most of the year comes to mind as something I'd prefer to avoid.

I feel that also...like it starts out nice enough, then they start calling the refs out a bit, then it's over the top and gets out of hand. You don't think the energy from the fans bleeds into the way they interact with the refs though? We'll see next close away game what happens I guess. On one hand you call them professionals and on the other you say they are brainwashed...which is it? If the coaches attitude can rub off on the players, so can the crowd's energy, no? Not saying it's a bad thing, just need to channel it better. They'll get it figured out, it really is better to have too much passion than not enough.

Has Spiller only played a couple plays so far? Is he hurt?

Is the crowd, as awesome as it is, getting the d too pumped up?

That shouldn't get lost in all of this. That was a very, very winnable game, and the ability to get touchdowns is one of the keys that kept the Bills in this game. Penalties and turnovers are what lost this game. A lot of those penalties were right, but there were several, that were just bad calls, and they all seemed to come in huge spots. Turnovers, especially fumbles lost, and horrible penalty calls are largely random, and will even out over the course of the season. What isn't going to even out, is giving up 1.9 yards per carry, or being 100% in the red zone. This is a very good team, that is going to keep getting better. With their December schedule though, they need to pull off a big streak starting this week...like 5 of 6 wins big.

I don't know that I would necessarily say he's bad in coverage, at least in terms of keeping up with receivers and staying on their hip/closing quickly enough to make a play. What he does have trouble with is actually making a play. He seems to often be in great position to swat the ball away, or make an interception and it seems like he just misjudges the ball at the last moment. Am I wrong?

So you're telling me there's a chance...

That sounds like Fort Lauderdale area?

Guys, relax, I have something way more pressing to talk about...they started the game with 3 minutes left in the second quarter on NFL Network!!!! It was 17-7 when it started.

Anyone else get as pissed off as I did when they started showing the game with 3 minutes left in the second quarter?

Am I the only person who almost stopped watching football after Kevin Everett's injury? I can't be the only one was deeply impacted by that injury, which happened on a kickoff.

Haha, awesome thread! Let me be totally selfish about this for a second. My SN is already 100% irrelevant, though I did think it was decently witty at the time, and now my Evan's jersey is irrelevant as well...guess I will just have to go Paup jersey 100% of the time (goodwill for the win!)!

Bobby April wants player too! The Bills have been unwilling to sign gunners to extensions (ex. Aiken), did they just find their two new gunners for the next three years? Are those stupid/wasted picks if they contribute to three more seasons of top 5 special teams?