John from Riverside Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Not just "draft a QB and a LT" To me there appears to be 3 real needs going into the next offseason: LT - I am hoping this drops off the list as D. Bell gets more playing time....still very raw....still needs work on his strength.....but I am basing it on NO improvement from what we are seeing now.....I think the interior linemen are set and I think either Meradith improves or Butler returns to fill the RT spot. QB - If anything has been shown to me over the past two games is that Edwards is either not the answer because he never had it or because he has been ruined by our coaching staff......regardless you see things from Fitz that you hope you would see with a more talented QB at that spot......not only the willingness to throw downfield but the smarts of when to do so and the accuracy to make it happen. And keep in mind in all of this that we are woefully needing another DT to pair up with Stroud.....but our defense is playing heads and shoulders above our offense right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan74 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 My hope is that Bell develops so we don't need to draft that position. QB I think Vick is a real possibility, I know most don't want him but where else can you get a former pro bowl QB for almost nothing? Plus he is a good fit for our lack of O-line. I would look to draft Reesing or another Sr with 23 wins with a strong arm etc..(parcells method) not in the first round. At DT I would try and trade for Corey Williams from Clev (5th rounder?) and hope Suh or Cody are there when we pick in Rd1. Maybe that helps. We also need LB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Get different coaching staff. DONE. The Bills don't have a talent issue. Getting a different QB or LT won't make a world of difference with DJ and his merry band from screwing it all up. Do you really think Jarius Byrd is as good as he is because of our coaching staff? The answer is no because he has been coached by his father for years. Fitz is not any better than Edwards. He is actually worse. Fitz's only advantage over Edwards is that he has been on other teams with different coaches. He had pass happy Mike Martz for a coach for awhile. He was also on a team with OchoCinco and TJ which was the strength of that team for years. The last two scores the Bills had were on field goals. Both times when the Bills got within the 20 yard line they did the same kind of plays. Run up the middle, Toss sweep left, an dthen another short pass to the right hash mark or run up the middle. Both times DJ was setting the team up for a field goal. He put the ball on the left hash mark which is good for a right legged kicker. Bottom line is that DJ coaches scared. He coaches not to lose. He doesn't coach to WIN. He doesn't have a killer instinct. His mentally slips to the rest of the players and they play conservative. I wish TO would open his mouth because i bet he would say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I don't think this organization knows how to develop QBs period. It precedes the present or any coaching staff I can remember with the exception of maybe Ted Marchibroda. Kelly to some extent was "ready" when he came to Buffalo. So I would try to trade maybe even give up a 2nd rounder or some combo thereof for a promising backup QB ala Schaub or God willing Favre all those years ago. We just don't have what it takes to "bake from scratch" at that particular position. I'm not sure who that would be. I'd have to closely examine the roster of the 32 teams. Maybe it's Chris Simms, but kinda would be nervous to trade for him. As for OL, I think Bell is gonna get someone killed. I haven't seen anything from this guy except "I'll Stand In Your Way" - he just doesn't have the mindset. I'll defer to you John since you've played the position. But I just don't think he has anything except natural athleticism. I think we need to draft a blue chip LT ala Wood and Levitre next year. That or a big strong DE in the first round. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 I don't think this organization knows how to develop QBs period. It precedes the present or any coaching staff I can remember with the exception of maybe Ted Marchibroda. Kelly to some extent was "ready" when he came to Buffalo. So I would try to trade maybe even give up a 2nd rounder or some combo thereof for a promising backup QB ala Schaub or God willing Favre all those years ago. We just don't have what it takes to "bake from scratch" at that particular position. I'm not sure who that would be. I'd have to closely examine the roster of the 32 teams. Maybe it's Chris Simms, but kinda would be nervous to trade for him. As for OL, I think Bell is gonna get someone killed. I haven't seen anything from this guy except "I'll Stand In Your Way" - he just doesn't have the mindset. I'll defer to you John since you've played the position. But I just don't think he has anything except natural athleticism. I think we need to draft a blue chip LT ala Wood and Levitre next year. That or a big strong DE in the first round. C Cale, Right now I am concerned about his natural strength and lack of agression. I just dont see Bell attacking DEs and trying to finish them.....he is trying to "Wall off" too much" a lot of that has to do with the fact that he is more of an "athlete" then a "football player" at this point. But the tools are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven Moses Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 If we hire Gruden, we could afford to get a QB off the junkpile like he did with Brad Johnson and Gannon. For OT, free agancy doesn't work. We'll have to draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Draft Locker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Fix the LT with a new 'strength and conditioning' coach Fix the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Get different coaching staff. DONE. The Bills don't have a talent issue. Getting a different QB or LT won't make a world of difference with DJ and his merry band from screwing it all up. Do you really think Jarius Byrd is as good as he is because of our coaching staff? The answer is no because he has been coached by his father for years. Fitz is not any better than Edwards. He is actually worse. Fitz's only advantage over Edwards is that he has been on other teams with different coaches. He had pass happy Mike Martz for a coach for awhile. He was also on a team with OchoCinco and TJ which was the strength of that team for years. Fitzpatrick saw limited duty with STL, kota... http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanfitzpatrick...le?id=FIT792915 And CIN was riddled with injuries - most in the league (including, eventually, 3 OL's) when Fitzpatrick was starting for Palmer. Their D was also whacked hard. Ocho Dinko was in Year #2 of his moping and crying, too. Since he realized that he wasn't being traded, Illl say that he wasn't doing his best for their replacement QB. Far from it. Remember the last CIN-BUF game, with Dinko short-arming to the point where TJ Housh got into face? - followed by Whitner cheap-shotting him as he was stretched out and falling? He got hauled out on the cart, went to a hospital but...somehow...recovered and caught the plane home... Dinko is tough as nails - I've seen him take very, very hard (and cheap) hits through his years. He was dogging it last season. Evidently, he's a new man this year. (BTW, the local chit-chat was that he had a serious $ problem). Fitzpatrick may well not be the *answer*, but I think that most folks see that he's giving all he's got. He's an improbable 2 and 0. The team is 3 - 4, and still in the race. You can't ask more than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 If we hire Gruden, we could afford to get a QB off the junkpile like he did with Brad Johnson and Gannon. For OT, free agancy doesn't work. We'll have to draft one. Love the Gruden idea. He can take any QB and make them sing. Problem: he ain't comin' to the B-Lo in a hundred years. Buffalo has a big time image problem... its not a place most people want to be, certainly not in-their-prime rock star NFL free agent coaches and players who can go anywhere they want... big problem.. not getting solved anytime soon... so you get your TEs and DJs until ralph is gone, fresh, long term ownership and $$ come in and the franchise moves.... it is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Fitzpatrick saw limited duty with STL, kota... http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanfitzpatrick...le?id=FIT792915 And CIN was riddled with injuries - most in the league (including, eventually, 3 OL's) when Fitzpatrick was starting for Palmer. Their D was also whacked hard. Ocho Dinko was in Year #2 of his moping and crying, too. Since he realized that he wasn't being traded, Illl say that he wasn't doing his best for their replacement QB. Far from it. Remember the last CIN-BUF game, with Dinko short-arming to the point where TJ Housh got into face? - followed by Whitner cheap-shotting him as he was stretched out and falling? He got hauled out on the cart, went to a hospital but...somehow...recovered and caught the plane home... Dinko is tough as nails - I've seen him take very, very hard (and cheap) hits through his years. He was dogging it last season. Evidently, he's a new man this year. (BTW, the local chit-chat was that he had a serious $ problem). Fitzpatrick may well not be the *answer*, but I think that most folks see that he's giving all he's got. He's an improbable 2 and 0. The team is 3 - 4, and still in the race. You can't ask more than that... can't ask for more than 3-4? you sound just like a bills fan. 3-4 is lousy.especially the way they lose..and win. they are barely beating teams with QBs who repeatedly throw the ball directly to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Fitzpatrick saw limited duty with STL, kota... http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanfitzpatrick...le?id=FIT792915 And CIN was riddled with injuries - most in the league (including, eventually, 3 OL's) when Fitzpatrick was starting for Palmer. Their D was also whacked hard. Ocho Dinko was in Year #2 of his moping and crying, too. Since he realized that he wasn't being traded, Illl say that he wasn't doing his best for their replacement QB. Far from it. Remember the last CIN-BUF game, with Dinko short-arming to the point where TJ Housh got into face? - followed by Whitner cheap-shotting him as he was stretched out and falling? He got hauled out on the cart, went to a hospital but...somehow...recovered and caught the plane home... Dinko is tough as nails - I've seen him take very, very hard (and cheap) hits through his years. He was dogging it last season. Evidently, he's a new man this year. (BTW, the local chit-chat was that he had a serious $ problem). Fitzpatrick may well not be the *answer*, but I think that most folks see that he's giving all he's got. He's an improbable 2 and 0. The team is 3 - 4, and still in the race. You can't ask more than that... I wasn't talking about the quality of the teams he was on or even how much playtime he got. I was speaking to the fact that he has had the privilege of being coached by people outside the Bills Organization. The only coaching staff Edwards knows is the Bills staff and it's stunting his growth as a QB. Fitz has been lucky to be in two games where the defense pulled down 9 turnovers. Take those turnovers away and the Bills lose both games. The offense can barely get to the 50 yard line most times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 John Great questions however I do not watch alot of college football to help with the answers. Butler returning and staying healthy at RT seems like a good choice. Problem is we need to draft a great LT as well as a franchise QB. How do you make both happen in same draft especially since we wont be drafting in top 5. I would like us to maybe go OT with first pick, grab a qb in the second and shore up DT and LBS with draft and FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Not just "draft a QB and a LT" To me there appears to be 3 real needs going into the next offseason: LT - I am hoping this drops off the list as D. Bell gets more playing time....still very raw....still needs work on his strength.....but I am basing it on NO improvement from what we are seeing now.....I think the interior linemen are set and I think either Meradith improves or Butler returns to fill the RT spot. QB - If anything has been shown to me over the past two games is that Edwards is either not the answer because he never had it or because he has been ruined by our coaching staff......regardless you see things from Fitz that you hope you would see with a more talented QB at that spot......not only the willingness to throw downfield but the smarts of when to do so and the accuracy to make it happen. And keep in mind in all of this that we are woefully needing another DT to pair up with Stroud.....but our defense is playing heads and shoulders above our offense right now. I am with you, John; I believe (hope) that D. Bell can make some strides in the off-season, so I am honestly willing to stand pat on him. Up until yesterday, I seriously would have take a look at how cheaply we could get Smith away from San Francisco... ...yeah, that's not happening now. SO much for me being ahead of the curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishouldbegm Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Draft bradford or trade for DA sign mcneil from SD to play lt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 If only it was as easy as writing down what we wanted: I think that we should hire Cowher as the head coach with Mike Holmgren as the offensive coordinator, Mike Shanahan as the QB coach and Jon Gruden as the receivers coach. We could take Tony Dungy as the new defensive coordinator with Marty Shottenheimer as the linebackers coach. I think that they're all available. Then we can trade for Peyton Manning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbag3man Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Draft bradford or trade for DA sign mcneil from SD to play lt I would be worried about Bradford, would rather have Max Hall from BYU, or Tony Pike. We need a tough cold weather QB for once. Plus they both seem more NFL ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I would be worried about Bradford, would rather have Max Hall from BYU, or Tony Pike. I don't pretend to know much about college QBs, or how success at that level translates to the NFL...but to me Pike is the risk. "Same" injury twice, slight build. Nothing much happened on the play where he was reinjured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Give the team a real coach and we are in the playoffs. Shanahan, Holmgren, or Cowher and we are in the playoffs first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I don't pretend to know much about college QBs, or how success at that level translates to the NFL...but to me Pike is the risk. "Same" injury twice, slight build. Nothing much happened on the play where he was reinjured. I agree on Pike. I think I could break his arm by bumping into him. That said, I think he's a player (can we build him a robotic left arm?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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