DaBills51 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Bills fans and WNYers in general are very pessimistic and never skip the chance to run someone out of town or into the ground rather than band together for a collective effort. Do you realize what you've just done? You've uncovered the real reason why the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in 10 years. It's time that Bills fans everywhere unite. For indivudally we are one drop, but together, we are an ocean. Indeed, beating the Patriots and making the playoffs may seem daunting, but together we can make miracles happen. Starting tomorrow we will begin our march on Foxborough, and we will not be returning until we destroy the Patriots with our optimisim and happy thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I will give the Bills this- keeping Scott over Chambers was a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Wow. Is there something in the air causing nasty? Not in the air, between the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Bills fan Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Same old crap everyday on here anymore. Trolls and pessimists abound. We've now run off a great inside source in JW because feel the urge to act like spoiled middle schoolers. Bills fans and WNYers in general are very pessimistic and never skip the chance to run someone out of town or into the ground rather than band together for a collective effort. This is evident outside of sports as well, take a look at the government in our area, as well as our businesses. It's sad and it will probably never change until we eventually run this team out of town for good. I hate to say it, but I tend to agree. (I was born and raised near Rochester, but moved away nearly 20 years ago.) In 2004, I was on a fishing trip in northern Ontario where we had to be flown in on a float plane. While waiting for the plane on a dock, a boat pulled up and a couple guys hop out to unload their gear. Since I was just sitting there, I went up to them to give them a hand. After exchanging a few words, I noticed one of the guys (in his 50's) had an accent like mine. I asked him where he's from and he replied, "Buffalo". Of course, I say "Go Bills!" and tell him that I was originally from Rochester. He thanked me again for helping them, and said... "it's nice to see someone offering help." I say something like, "hey, we WNYer's always help each other out." Oh boy, did that ever do it. The guy went on and on about how people back there USED to stick together and help each other out. He said that things have really changed in the past 10 or so years. I thought, "yeah, yeah... just another grumpy guy." However... I try to visit friends and family every few years and have noticed a "shift" myself. EVERYONE back there bitches and moans about EVERYTHING! It's really incredible. Neighbors on my street used to know each other and lend a hand. Now... no ones seems to know each other, and the people I spoke to don't have a good thing to say about anyone. What's going on up there??? (Before you start flaming me... I LOVE New York State and am VERY proud to come from there. It saddens me deeply that the general attitude has changed so much.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 It's one thing to be pessimistic on this team, which I freely admit. The team is run by a 91 year old owner and the direction just doesn't seem there. It's still no reason for single-minded posters to hurl insults at anyone that suggests something they disagree with. Still, the obnoxious posters have become too much and John Wawrow along with others know it. I realize there are varying levels of football knowledge on this board, but when a reporter comes onto this board it's a good thing. We collectively benefit as a message board because of them. The Bills should be criticized if they cannot win and advance to the playoffs this season. Collectively though, criticism needs to be done in a more considerate manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBallz Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 All I have to say is if AVP (now referred to as OC) pulls this team out of the gutter he will be showered with adulation, maybe DJ would also. However, if they fail to deliver whether or not they win in NE (which would be nothing short of Amazing since I hate their guts) then they will be taunted and booed, posibly even fired. what difference would any of it make if we can't win. I think that it has been long enough that the media has talked about NE and NYJ and MIA and how good they re gonna be, Its time that people started talking about the Bills and not to just say how much they suck or how pedestrian they look. So I really don't care what moves they make as long as they win. I will however pay direc TV $260 a season to see them play, no matter how many times they win or lose. This is the curse of being a hardcore fan and loving your team unconditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Bills fan Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I'm afraid to ask, but... what happened to make John W leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 I'm afraid to ask, but... what happened to make John W leave? Go to #16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 It's one thing to be pessimistic on this team, which I freely admit. The team is run by a 91 year old owner and the direction just doesn't seem there. It's still no reason for single-minded posters to hurl insults at anyone that suggests something they disagree with. Still, the obnoxious posters have become too much and John Wawrow along with others know it. I realize there are varying levels of football knowledge on this board, but when a reporter comes onto this board it's a good thing. We collectively benefit as a message board because of them. The Bills should be criticized if they cannot win and advance to the playoffs this season. Collectively though, criticism needs to be done in a more considerate manner. I agree with a lot of your post. I've called out at least one of the posters who ran Wawrow off the board. I mean, Jesus, what's the goddamn point? "Think I'll get on the board, drop my shorts, and leave one in the punchbowl". Feel better? It's nothing constructive, and so goddamn pointless. "Ralph sucks." "Ralph's cheap". "Ralph doesn't have the balls or brains to hire [fill in big-ticket coach's name]". Oh, good. That helped me learn so much about the team. And then we actually have a national beat reporter contributing to the board who actually MIGHT HELP ME LEARN MORE ABOUT THE TEAM, and these internet prunes run him off the board. If that's not grounds for banning them, I don't know what is. Maybe that SHOULD happen. The word would get out pretty fast. Here's a REAL depressing thought. If these constipated weenies are pissed off after a 1-3 preseason, how do you think the tenor of this place will be if the Bills get out of the chute (e.g.) 2-6? Better double the guard on the Rainbow Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I agree with a lot of your post. I've called out at least one of the posters who ran Wawrow off the board. I mean, Jesus, what's the goddamn point? "Think I'll get on the board, drop my shorts, and leave one in the punchbowl". Feel better? It's nothing constructive, and so goddamn pointless. "Ralph sucks." "Ralph's cheap". "Ralph doesn't have the balls or brains to hire [fill in big-ticket coach's name]". Oh, good. That helped me learn so much about the team. And then we actually have a national beat reporter contributing to the board who actually MIGHT HELP ME LEARN MORE ABOUT THE TEAM, and these internet prunes run him off the board. If that's not grounds for banning them, I don't know what is. Maybe that SHOULD happen. The word would get out pretty fast. Here's a REAL depressing thought. If these constipated weenies are pissed off after a 1-3 preseason, how do you think the tenor of this place will be if the Bills get out of the chute (e.g.) 2-6? Better double the guard on the Rainbow Bridge. No, let them go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Better double the guard on the Rainbow Bridge. No need. They're all talk on a message board, but we wouldn't be so lucky to thin the heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Easy to tell Warrow was getting pizzed. He capitalized letters where they're supposed to be.. No question, the antics of more than a few here can encourage most of us to take pause. We're Buffalo Bills fans. Of all the media outlets covering our team, most of us consider this the best forum to learn what's new and discuss them. That we occasionally get 'official' journalists chiming in, adds even more credence. T Graham and our very own Lori are excellent representatives of this. But I don't think anyone here hasn't flamed Sully, Sal, Pitoniak, Gaughan, Matthews, Roth and even Felser at one time or another for their perceived insights. Chris Browns' input is negated as insightful, due to his official mouthpiece status. Warrow -or 'jw' as he prefers..- is, IMO, more of a blogger than traditional sports writer. After his recent sit down with Ralph, his posts began to read more like a staunch, sympathizing defender and less investigative. That's not what I want to know about in this, the longest stretch of team failure in history. He developed what the OP calls a Poor Attitude toward all who detracted from his purported perch within. That just doesn't fly with this 50 year Bills fan. His swan song LAMP post exemplifies that which we rightfully flame his afore mentioned brethren for. In tribute to his self imposed hiatus: since it's your wish, enjoy your absence jw i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 FWIW, anyone who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to flame another poster here -- regardless of their job description -- can leave right now. The way I see it, there's plenty of room for discussion and debate without descending into snipery. And while John considers his options, I'll tell you this: the treatment he received from a few people here has put me one step closer to the door myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 What exactly happened???? Seemed relatively innocuous to me. b44 the attacks were making this board a joke..It got pulled then....No doubt the past few years I have witnessed more and more verbal personal attacks than at any point.. IMO, a couple of the mods are the biggest offenders. If the mods act this way, why should us lowly posters act any differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR8PRKN Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 FWIW, anyone who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to flame another poster here -- regardless of their job description -- can leave right now. The way I see it, there's plenty of room for discussion and debate without descending into snipery. And while John considers his options, I'll tell you this: the treatment he received from a few people here has put me one step closer to the door myself. Lori, I am am avid fan of TBD. But I agree with there is to much "flaming" Anyway, what does it take to get removed from the board? Is there a unsportsmanlike penalty rule? Two and done? How dooes the moderator enforce or attempt to control this? FYI I am not looking to be canned but I was referring to the trolls on here Thanks R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Seemed relatively innocuous to me. b44 IMO, a couple of the mods are the biggest offenders. If the mods act this way, why should us lowly posters act any differently? I agree on both. While I don't agree with how people responded to him, I would think that someone who wants to bear the title-"National Sports Reporter" would have a thicker skin. I personally find nasty posters very easy to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 FWIW, anyone who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to flame another poster here -- regardless of their job description -- can leave right now. The way I see it, there's plenty of room for discussion and debate without descending into snipery. And while John considers his options, I'll tell you this: the treatment he received from a few people here has put me one step closer to the door myself. With all due respect, I'd like to bring up a few points on this topic: 1) Wawrow certainly wasn't entirely civil in defense of his OPINIONS on Ralph Wilson. In some regards, he invited some of the flames on himself. That's not to defend the persons who did the flaming, just wanted topoint out that arrogance can sometimes lead to undesirable results. 2) Management has allowed the return of one of the all-time worst trolls in the history of TSW (no names needed here). How is that decision going to affect the civility of the board as a whole? 3) I agree, there needs to be a culling of the herd or some sort of poosting restriction for new users to limit the troll factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 internet message boards are the easiest way to communicate with large amounts of people, and the worst way as well. being basically an anonymous screen name brings out the worst in people. always has, always will. very unfortunate that the non-anonymous community this once was has fallen to it too. but that's the price of being popular i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I agree on both. While I don't agree with how people responded to him, I would think that someone who wants to bear the title-"National Sports Reporter" would have a thicker skin. I personally find nasty posters very easy to ignore. I don't remember Tim Graham turning tail when posters were accusing him of "defending" the Pats and BB a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I don't remember Tim Graham turning tail when posters were accusing him of "defending" the Pats and BB a while back. I don't recall Tim Graham being hunted every time he posted something on this board either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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