barbwire Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 News 4 Sports spoke to Schonert by phone Friday afternoon. He says he was informed about Jauron's decision during a Friday morning meeting. And he talked about the serious philosophical differences he had with Jauron about the Bills offense. "He (Jauron) told me the offense wasn't simple enough for him," Schonert said. "We had too many formations, too many plays. I didn't simplify it to his liking." "He wants a 'Pop Warner' offense," Schonert said, referring to the Bills head coach. "He limited me in formations, and limited me in plays. He's been on my back all offseason. http://www.wivb.com/dpp/sports/bills_and_n...honert_20090904 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 wouldn't surprise me if thats true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Wow, that's pretty insightful. Contradicts what Jauron says, in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbwire Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Last year... teams figured out our (5 plays)and were sitting on them at the snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 If this is true, and I'm highly skeptical (not of the original poster, but of Turk's own recount of his dismissal -- everyone ALWAYS spins the story when they get canned), then Juaron shouldn't be allowed to coach High School let alone in the NFL. I really doubt this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Not surprised. Schonert isn't a genius OC but Jauron made him the fall guy. Jauron is vanilla, conservative and just plain retarded. Jauron is an idiot who is a terrible coach, a terrible game manager and a terrible decision maker. I'm so friggin sick of Jauron. We have a young, talented roster that's just loaded with potential for great things. We need a real coach who can put it all together and utilize the immense talent we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Last year... teams figured out our (5 plays)and were sitting on them at the snap Actually, it doesn't necessarily mean few plays. But fewer formations would be a great idea, IMO. Part of the Bills predictability is they have different formation and personnel packages for too many plays. You see the FB come in, its a run. You see Reed motion to the tackle, its a run. 3 and 2, shotgun, its a pass; and so. I think fewer formations and substitutions would actually help our offense quite a bit. I think a case could also be made that with a young QB, young TEs, young RBs, young OL; fewer plays could be beneficial as well. As I stated in the other thread, I think few plays that are run well could help this team finally build an identity and be better than a lot of plays run poorly. While we're on it... I'd simply Trent's reads as well. Give him 2 reads per pass. Drop make look at 1 look at 2 throw. Simple and fast. If both reads are covered, throw it away or take off running. Sometimes it seems to me he spends too much time trying to go through is reads and he doesn't have 5-6 seconds with this line to scan the field for the best option. He needs to drop back and just hit the 1st or 2nd option in 3 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'64 Bills Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Not surprised. Schonert isn't a genius OC but Jauron made him the fall guy. Jauron is vanilla, conservative and just plain retarded. Jauron is an idiot who is a terrible coach, a terrible game manager and a terrible decision maker. I'm so friggin sick of Jauron. We have a young, talented roster that's just loaded with potential for great things. We need a real coach who can put it all together and utilize the immense talent we have. I would bet Ralph had something to do with it also - - DJ was scared - -the way they were running a 'no huddle' was dumb! It doesn't speak well for DJ's ability to hire qualified assistants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Jauron & Schonert both suck. Nobody wins this pissing match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Schonert's offense was crap. How often would Trent or JP get the play-call in with just seconds before the play clock expired? How often were his schemes deciphered and well-defensed? Maybe it WAS too complicated, especially for Schonert (so you can imagine how it was for the players). Get back to basics. The Patriots won a SB with a simplified offense for Brady in 2001 (among other things ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Who cares whether the offense is simple or complex? The only thing that matters is moving the chains and putting points on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nero47 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Your job is to provide the boss with what he wants. Make lemonade from lemons. Obviously, it would appear that "what we have here, is a failure to communicate". (Cool Hand Luke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Pop Warner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Who cares whether the offense is simple or complex? The only thing that matters is moving the chains and putting points on the board. It's not HSFB. Teams watch plenty of tape and know your tendencies before you do, thus the need to be complex and innovative. I've never felt that the names Jauron and Schonert should be included with "innovative." That's why none of DJ's teams have ever been offensive juggernauts. They trend toward the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I think Schonert is probably being accurate. Jauron shows his cards with his FG decisions, totally conservative. To quote another poster "what a mess". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 News 4 Sports spoke to Schonert by phone Friday afternoon. He says he was informed about Jauron's decision during a Friday morning meeting. And he talked about the serious philosophical differences he had with Jauron about the Bills offense. "He (Jauron) told me the offense wasn't simple enough for him," Schonert said. "We had too many formations, too many plays. I didn't simplify it to his liking." "He wants a 'Pop Warner' offense," Schonert said, referring to the Bills head coach. "He limited me in formations, and limited me in plays. He's been on my back all offseason. http://www.wivb.com/dpp/sports/bills_and_n...honert_20090904 Very stupid of Schoenert to open up against DJ like that. His openness to speak his mind is refreshing to us fans and the media, but it may screw him getting another job as OC or even QC for another NFL team. Besides, I agree with DJ if Schoenert speaks the truth, anway. How many guys to you need to put in motion, and how many different formations do you have to implement in order for your QB to throw 4 yard passes all over the place? I hope AVP does simplify things down, and allows Edwards to look down the field faster and get the ball into his wide recievers hands more often. Turk-ey's offense reminded me of other OC's that have worked here before him the past 10 years. With all of them it was always about his "packages", and multiple formations, and knowing your "reads" and assignements, and giving the QB 18 freakin' check down options on every stupid pass play. Does anybody remember that Jimbo called all of about 5 different plays during an entire No-Huddle game, in which his Bills usually blew out their opponents up and down the damn field? That's right. Kelly simply changed formations and put his tight end on different sides depending on down and distance, but his entire "arsenal" of "schemes, packages and reads consisted of about 4 to 6 different play calls.....for an entire football game. Ok, Ok, of course these Bills are pathetic compared to the athletes Kelly had on the field helping him run those few plays to perfection. But my point still has meritt. The simpler, the better, for young Edwards, young tight end Nelson, young linemen Wood, Levitre and quite possibly Bell. Who knows, maybe dumbing things down is exactly what this group of young veterans and old pros needs to rack up some points and yardage?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Ah jeez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Actually, it doesn't necessarily mean few plays. But fewer formations would be a great idea, IMO. Part of the Bills predictability is they have different formation and personnel packages for too many plays. You see the FB come in, its a run. You see Reed motion to the tackle, its a run. 3 and 2, shotgun, its a pass; and so. I think fewer formations and substitutions would actually help our offense quite a bit. I think a case could also be made that with a young QB, young TEs, young RBs, young OL; fewer plays could be beneficial as well. As I stated in the other thread, I think few plays that are run well could help this team finally build an identity and be better than a lot of plays run poorly. While we're on it... I'd simply Trent's reads as well. Give him 2 reads per pass. Drop make look at 1 look at 2 throw. Simple and fast. If both reads are covered, throw it away or take off running. Sometimes it seems to me he spends too much time trying to go through is reads and he doesn't have 5-6 seconds with this line to scan the field for the best option. He needs to drop back and just hit the 1st or 2nd option in 3 seconds. I think what you are saying is, the Bills telegraph their plays, with their formations (and personnel, at times). I would actually like to see the Bills run their basic plays out of many different formations, so the opposing D wouldn't be aware of what was called. Fewer plays (that they can run with confidence) but out of different formations and personnel packages, would be my preference. And I agree they have to build an identity. One of the reasons I would like a coach like Cohwer is, I suspect he would build a smash-mouth team, like the Steelers. That is the kind of team the Bills should be emulating, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 If this is true, and I'm highly skeptical (not of the original poster, but of Turk's own recount of his dismissal -- everyone ALWAYS spins the story when they get canned), then Juaron shouldn't be allowed to coach High School let alone in the NFL. I really doubt this ... why ? because Dick has been so successful with the multitude of OCs that have tried to implement an offense to his specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I believe it 100% How else do you exlplain the offensive dull-ness on every team Jauron has coached... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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