Max997 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 For those of you on this board that have called him greedy and questioned his heart or desire, read this article on ESPN. The kid WANTS to play, and badly. As lame as it sounds, if you read his posts on twitter he seems like a pretty serious and dedicated football player. I hope he gets signed soon because he wants to play, and he will help the team. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...ce=NFLHeadlines unless someone has pics of him crying im simply not buying it especially when its coming from a clown like Arrington Maybins contract does not hinge on Crabtree signing, there are enough players around him that have signed that a fair deal could get done...Crabtree is hurt and wouldnt be playing right now anyway so it doesnt matter if he is signed now or not if he wanted to be signed and out there he would be, its not like the Bills are lowballing Maybin, he is simply playing the blame game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 perfectly crafted. Whats up w/ Maybin hanging out w/ Arrington? Lavar has been reduced to being a hanging on to a college kid. You can be sure if the kid was drafted in the 8th round. Lavar Arrington wuld have narry a word to say to the kid. from what Ive read Lavar is actually Maybins publicist...go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 These guys must not understand the time value of money. If he signed for a Mil less a couple months ago, and invested it, it would prob be worth more today than the fatter contract he will sign tomorrow. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Up to a certain degree all the players are absolutly spot-on; they are out there creating the dollars, they are the industry called NFL. Yet as a player, why are you holding out so long that your value to the team and with that your playing time will decrease by the day. What is 1 million more or less on 20 million guaranteed? You want to play but as a result of business reasons you may be loosing your shot at even playing at all during the season. It's a loop created by the owners themselves, they used to underpay the players that were their $$$ making machines, as a result players turned to people to negotiate for them, agents were born and now through capatilist evolution agents have turned the greediness around on the owners themselves which result in hurting in the game and with that the industry called NFL. There is no way Maybin will not suffer in one way or another from skipping camp. Doesn't matter which side you side with, in the end both parties are hurting the industry; the customers (fans) are being victimised as a result. I honestly question if either side realizes this. i disagree with your assessment about the players creating the dollars. the 'system' creates the dollars. the money funnelled into the program by the owners creates the dollars. it's why walter payton can be an all-time great, carve out a name for himself and play with honor and dignity------and when he leaves the game, it goes on with nary a blip. if albert haynesworth never plays a snap in washington, he's a dominant player who never played a snap in washington and the game goes on. as talented as the players are in the nfl---and i'm a believer that they are among the most gifted athletes in the world right down to the special teamers we don't hear so much about, i don't think for a second that if all these guys stopped playing tomorrow that the system wouldn't find the next 1700 or so guys to step up. that said, the guys who raise to the top deserve to get paid based on the market they can command. the system is now set up to reward rookies early and often, at least through the the top rounds of the draft, and i can't help but think that hurts a ton of players in the short term, though it may drive up salaries for the collective good (of the players) later on. i don't disagree that the owners are part of the issue and the desire to make money and keep money drives everybody and everything in the organization. put another way---the player's job is to see to the end of his reach. it's a rare player who sees not only what happens to him, but happens to the team as well (i hate to say it, but it seems tom brady is that type of guy). the owner's job is to see to the end of the organization----revenue, personnel, league obligations, staffing, public relations, travel scheduling, etc. using the union analogy--who really deserves the the windfall, especially since it's the owner's money to begin with??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 So the Bills drafted a sissy boy with the 11th pick? Great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNNYFAIRPLAY Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 It would be funny to see the Bills sit him the entire year. Really though, it is a business, and he's trying to get paid the highest amount possible. The problem I see is that it is affecting his performance at his job, which ultimately needs to be rectified. The NFL needs to set a cap for rookies in my opinion. 1st rounders, 2nd, 3rd, etc all at seperate pay grades and then fnally they get a contract from the drafting team based on performance from the 1st year. I truly cant see how that system would fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 For those of you on this board that have called him greedy and questioned his heart or desire, read this article on ESPN. The kid WANTS to play, and badly. As lame as it sounds, if you read his posts on twitter he seems like a pretty serious and dedicated football player. I hope he gets signed soon because he wants to play, and he will help the team. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...ce=NFLHeadlines His people offer the creative excuse that he can't sign until the person drafted in front of him signs. Yet somehow Moreno managed to sign without the guy in front of him (Maybin) being signed. And Orakpo signed with Washington before Moreno signed with Denver. What a load of crapola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 For those of you on this board that have called him greedy and questioned his heart or desire, read this article on ESPN. The kid WANTS to play, and badly. As lame as it sounds, if you read his posts on twitter he seems like a pretty serious and dedicated football player. I hope he gets signed soon because he wants to play, and he will help the team. That's the most ridiculous article I've read in a long time. Yeah, he can't figure out what he's worth because of Crabtree. What a crock of sh--. There are 27 other signed first round data points to work from. It takes about two seconds to see a 5 year/$25M/half guaranteed contract is perfectly reasonable and in line with the rest, so he could sign that any damn time he wants to. Tears my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 It's pretty apparent to me that most, if not all of you, who have responded to this thread either hate that he's holding out or just outright hate the pick. Am i happy that he's not playing, no. But it's not his damn fault. We are talking about millions of dollars here. He wants to play, but he's not going to rush into it until he is able to do the best for himself and his family. I want him to play as much as anyone, but all of you stop hating. My god, are you telling me that if you could make a million more or hundred thousand more here or there, you wouldn't take it. You f'ing crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyDingo Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 He better get used to Sunday tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 So the Bills drafted a sissy boy with the 11th pick? Great... Or a kid who is hungry to play football. Face it, it is a business first. Would anyone of you settle for less money if you had the choice? And I don't believe Maybin represents himself in contract talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 That's the most ridiculous article I've read in a long time. Yeah, he can't figure out what he's worth because of Crabtree. What a crock of sh--. There are 27 other signed first round data points to work from. It takes about two seconds to see a 5 year/$25M/half guaranteed contract is perfectly reasonable and in line with the rest, so he could sign that any damn time he wants to. Tears my ass. Well put, there is no mystery as to what he is going to get. It is merely a matter of putting the deal together, there is more than enough information available to craft a deal in line with what #11 would get. I have no idea why it is contingent on crabtree. average out #9 and #12 get, and get your a$$ into camp son. If you wanted it bad enough, you would be here. If your agent is lacking the sufficient brain cells to forecast the financials of your deal, then he isn't worth the keyboard i typed this on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 Well put, there is no mystery as to what he is going to get. It is merely a matter of putting the deal together, there is more than enough information available to craft a deal in line with what #11 would get. I have no idea why it is contingent on crabtree. average out #9 and #12 get, and get your a$$ into camp son. If you wanted it bad enough, you would be here. If your agent is lacking the sufficient brain cells to forecast the financials of your deal, then he isn't worth the keyboard i typed this on. Oh, I forgot, it's Maybin who is responsible for all of this. I understand now....Give me a break. His agent is doing what he's hired to do. Make his client money. It sucks, sure, but if Crabtree's agent (and we know him well), wasn't such an f'ing d'bag then we wouldn't be in this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Oh, I forgot, it's Maybin who is responsible for all of this. I understand now....Give me a break. His agent is doing what he's hired to do. Make his client money. It sucks, sure, but if Crabtree's agent (and we know him well), wasn't such an f'ing d'bag then we wouldn't be in this situation but taking the argument to the logical conclusion, isn't crabtree's agent doing what's best for him, and isn't what's best for him to squeeze every nickle out of the game for him? what about crabtree's family and his desire to what's best for them? wouldn't you want to financial guy to actually be a douchebag? it's really gotten pretty pathetic...first preseason game in the book and guys still not even frigging signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Oh, I forgot, it's Maybin who is responsible for all of this. I understand now....Give me a break. His agent is doing what he's hired to do. Make his client money. It sucks, sure, but if Crabtree's agent (and we know him well), wasn't such an f'ing d'bag then we wouldn't be in this situation Why does he need #10 to sign first? If this was the case then the last pick in the seventh round would have a long wait every year. Why can't he use other data points like #9 or 12 or 13 or 8? It is because he is hoping Crabtree gets top 5 money and he can piggy back from that. Blaming Crabtree and his agent is an absolute joke. He was the #11 pick. He does not deserve #6 money. Is it possible the Bills FO is the holdup? Sure. But blaming Crabtree is dumb to an almost Canadian level. Don't be suckered in by this. It is like believing JAIrus Byrd really wants to practice but first he had finals and now he all of a sudden needs an operation. The fact of the matter is some of these guys are not about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 but taking the argument to the logical conclusion, isn't crabtree's agent doing what's best for him, and isn't what's best for him to squeeze every nickle out of the game for him? what about crabtree's family and his desire to what's best for them? wouldn't you want to financial guy to actually be a douchebag? it's really gotten pretty pathetic...first preseason game in the book and guys still not even frigging signed. The problem with the Crabtree situation is that he isn't falling into line, which is what normally happens. His agent wants to get him paid as if he was a top 3-5 player. The fact is..he wasn't. He was the 10 pick. Expecting to get paid more than that is crazy. The fact is, however, by him holding out he may force the hand. The other players before and after Crabtree, are banking on the hope that he hits a big payday that would lead to them getting more money. Had he just accepted being picked 10th and taking that money it would be fine. His agent is doing the same thing, but he is going against the grain. Crabtree WAS NOT a top 5 pick and therefore should not be paid as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 Why does he need #10 to sign first? If this was the case then the last pick in the seventh round would have a long wait every year. Why can't he use other data points like #9 or 12 or 13 or 8? It is because he is hoping Crabtree gets top 5 money and he can piggy back from that. Blaming Crabtree and his agent is an absolute joke. He was the #11 pick. He does not deserve #6 money. Is it possible the Bills FO is the holdup? Sure. But blaming Crabtree is dumb to an almost Canadian level. Don't be suckered in by this. It is like believing JAIrus Byrd really wants to practice but first he had finals and now he all of a sudden needs an operation. The fact of the matter is some of these guys are not worth about football. Jairus Byrd? What's wrong with him? He's signed. I'm sure with a pro-bowler father, he'd rather sit at home and watch TV. You people need to stop sniffing so much glue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 The problem with the Crabtree situation is that he isn't falling into line, which is what normally happens. His agent wants to get him paid as if he was a top 3-5 player. The fact is..he wasn't. He was the 10 pick. Expecting to get paid more than that is crazy. The fact is, however, by him holding out he may force the hand. The other players before and after Crabtree, are banking on the hope that he hits a big payday that would lead to them getting more money. Had he just accepted being picked 10th and taking that money it would be fine. His agent is doing the same thing, but he is going against the grain. Crabtree WAS NOT a top 5 pick and therefore should not be paid as such. So Maybin is holding out because the guy picked before him has an inflated view of his own value? Maybin realizes this but decides to use it to his own benefit and get #6 money despite being #11 and he is somehow a victim of circumstance? Poor Maybin. If Crabtree gets paid more than the #5 or 6 pick should that guy try to re-negotiate? Will the planets soon see the light and start revolving around Crabtree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Jairus Byrd? What's wrong with him? He's signed. I'm sure with a pro-bowler father, he'd rather sit at home and watch TV. You people need to stop sniffing so much glue JAIrus Byrd skipped the OTAs because of "final exams", then he signed a contract with a big bonus, then he had to have surgery just before his first practice. Practice? We're talking about practice? Not a game. Practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Is it possible the Bills FO is the holdup? Sure. But blaming Crabtree is dumb to an almost Canadian level. Don't be suckered in by this. It is like believing JAIrus Byrd really wants to practice but first he had finals and now he all of a sudden needs an operation. The fact of the matter is some of these guys are not worth about football. an astute and brilliant attempt at button-pushing. sir/madam, my hat is off to you, because i am amused. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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