SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 1. Get rid of any players that will seek competitive salaries, regardless of how talented they may be. (This step can be applied to building a cost-ineffective platoon at any position) 2. Hire a backup from another team to come in and lead the unit. 3. Promote several of your own "promising" backups to starting positions, and/or allow people who should have been backups anyway to retain their starting position. 4. Move the only true starter in the unit from a position at which he was merely average and adequate to a more demanding and for more critical position which requires substantially greater athletes. 5. Fill any remaining holes in your line with rookies. Don't forget to execute the following contingencies to protect other positions: 1. Get rid of your backup QB who *should* have been the best backup QB in the NFL but never was. 2. Hire a guy who never has been and never will be any good at QB in any role, backup or otherwise. 3. Advise all backs to seek additional coverage on their insurance policies (this serves little functionality and would merely be a damn decent thing to do for those fellas). 4. Never forget plan B - in the unlikely effect that the above formula fails, blame it on the coaches. Actually, just blame it on anything that doesn't illustrate the obvious principle that you have to have talent to win, and you have to pay for talent. The coaches are usually just the easiest scapegoats. Now I see why so many people think we are "solid" on the O-line. I wonder why this epiphany never struck me before.... Oh well. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 1. Get rid of any players that will seek competitive salaries, regardless of how talented they may be. (This step can be applied to building a cost-ineffective platoon at any position)2. Hire a backup from another team to come in and lead the unit. 3. Promote several of your own "promising" backups to starting positions, and/or allow people who should have been backups anyway to retain their starting position. 4. Move the only true starter in the unit from a position at which he was merely average and adequate to a more demanding and for more critical position which requires substantially greater athletes. 5. Fill any remaining holes in your line with rookies. Don't forget to execute the following contingencies to protect other positions: 1. Get rid of your backup QB who *should* have been the best backup QB in the NFL but never was. 2. Hire a guy who never has been and never will be any good at QB in any role, backup or otherwise. 3. Advise all backs to seek additional coverage on their insurance policies (this serves little functionality and would merely be a damn decent thing to do for those fellas). 4. Never forget plan B - in the unlikely effect that the above formula fails, blame it on the coaches. Actually, just blame it on anything that doesn't illustrate the obvious principle that you have to have talent to win, and you have to pay for talent. The coaches are usually just the easiest scapegoats. Now I see why so many people think we are "solid" on the O-line. I wonder why this epiphany never struck me before.... Oh well. Go Bills! So there is a chance that our O-line might be good, like 1 in a 1,000 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 1. Get rid of any players that will seek competitive salaries, regardless of how talented they may be. (This step can be applied to building a cost-ineffective platoon at any position)2. Hire a backup from another team to come in and lead the unit. 3. Promote several of your own "promising" backups to starting positions, and/or allow people who should have been backups anyway to retain their starting position. 4. Move the only true starter in the unit from a position at which he was merely average and adequate to a more demanding and for more critical position which requires substantially greater athletes. 5. Fill any remaining holes in your line with rookies. Don't forget to execute the following contingencies to protect other positions: 1. Get rid of your backup QB who *should* have been the best backup QB in the NFL but never was. 2. Hire a guy who never has been and never will be any good at QB in any role, backup or otherwise. 3. Advise all backs to seek additional coverage on their insurance policies (this serves little functionality and would merely be a damn decent thing to do for those fellas). 4. Never forget plan B - in the unlikely effect that the above formula fails, blame it on the coaches. Actually, just blame it on anything that doesn't illustrate the obvious principle that you have to have talent to win, and you have to pay for talent. The coaches are usually just the easiest scapegoats. Now I see why so many people think we are "solid" on the O-line. I wonder why this epiphany never struck me before.... Oh well. Go Bills! Its obvious SouthGeorgiaBillsFan is just someone who likes to stroke Peters epeen and wont give up on it. PETERS IS NO LONGER ON THIS FOOTBALL TEAM!!! GET OVER IT AND MOVE FORWARD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I've decided this Brad Butler to RT must just be a courtesy type thing you throw a hard worker before you make him a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 1. Get rid of any players that will seek competitive salaries, regardless of how talented they may be. (This step can be applied to building a cost-ineffective platoon at any position)2. Hire a backup from another team to come in and lead the unit. 3. Promote several of your own "promising" backups to starting positions, and/or allow people who should have been backups anyway to retain their starting position. 4. Move the only true starter in the unit from a position at which he was merely average and adequate to a more demanding and for more critical position which requires substantially greater athletes. 5. Fill any remaining holes in your line with rookies. Don't forget to execute the following contingencies to protect other positions: 1. Get rid of your backup QB who *should* have been the best backup QB in the NFL but never was. 2. Hire a guy who never has been and never will be any good at QB in any role, backup or otherwise. 3. Advise all backs to seek additional coverage on their insurance policies (this serves little functionality and would merely be a damn decent thing to do for those fellas). 4. Never forget plan B - in the unlikely effect that the above formula fails, blame it on the coaches. Actually, just blame it on anything that doesn't illustrate the obvious principle that you have to have talent to win, and you have to pay for talent. The coaches are usually just the easiest scapegoats. Now I see why so many people think we are "solid" on the O-line. I wonder why this epiphany never struck me before.... Oh well. Go Bills! Nice post Nancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreMarshawn23 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm not necessary excited about this Oline this year, I'll take that with two rookies filling in. What I'm excited is about that they went out an actually drafted some interior linemen early. There building for the future but I fully expect these two rooks to not only start but to play well. Over the last 5 or 6 years, the top interior linemen in the draft have started early and played extremely well. Wood is going to be the best draft pick this century, the kid is the next Logan Mankins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The formula for building an offensive line is getting a group of guys playing with each other for a long time. O-lines need to play as a unit. The Bills view the line up of Levitre-Hangardner-Wood-Butler as a group that can play for several seasons and gel into a unit. In 2 seasons all those guys will be under 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The formula for building an offensive line is getting a group of guys playing with each other for a long time. O-lines need to play as a unit. The Bills view the line up of Levitre-Hangardner-Wood-Butler as a group that can play for several seasons and gel into a unit. In 2 seasons all those guys will be under 30. a lot can happen in two seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The formula for building an offensive line is getting a group of guys playing with each other for a long time. O-lines need to play as a unit. The Bills view the line up of Levitre-Hangardner-Wood-Butler as a group that can play for several seasons and gel into a unit. In 2 seasons all those guys will be under 30. At one point there, they basically only needed to replace Duke. Now it's a three card monte game, or maybe it's the "Who's On first" routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 This thread reminds me of the old adage about "how to become a millionaire"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm fairly sure the bust rate on interior linemen drafted in the 1st and 2nd round is very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreMarshawn23 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 At one point there, they basically only needed to replace Duke. Did you not see Dockery play last year. That dude was just plain bab in pass pro and he was the 330 pound pussycat I've ever seen. Dude could not do anything in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreMarshawn23 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm fairly sure the bust rate on interior linemen drafted in the 1st and 2nd round is very low. It's extremely low especially when there drafted as the top 3 out of the position. I did a thread on BB.com breaking down interior linemen since 05, let me go dig it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Did you not see Dockery play last year. That dude was just plain bab in pass pro and he was the 330 pound pussycat I've ever seen. Dude could not do anything in the run game. Dockery and everyone else that Kugler coached (and for that matter McNally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Here's an edited version of something I posted just prior to the draft. It started out as a Football Outsiders piece by Bill Barnwell. He did a study covering the NFL drafts from 1988 to 2005. His success rate is based on whether the drafted player makes the Pro Bowl within his first four seasons. I did some additional research to see how many players at each position were drafted during the 18 years of the study. Position Success % #Picks QB 27 % 36 RB 32.3 % 62 WR 27.5 % 69 TE 30 % 19 C 14.2 % 7 G 35.7% 18 T 14.1% 59 DE 13.6% 69 DT 34.0% 48 LB 27.9% 59 DB 19.1% 87 Guards and centers are not selected in the first round at a high rate. Only a total of 25 center/guards drafted in 18 years in the first round. In fact not including specialists, center and guard are the least drafted positions in the first round. But guards particularly have a very high rate of making the Pro Bowl within 4 years (35.7%). And centers (if you include Nick Mangold in 2006) have a nice success rate too. While interior linemen are not often drafted in the first round the ones that are picked are usually players that grade out so high that there is little inherent risk in taking them...Nick Mangold, Alex Mack, Eric Wood. No center has been taken higher than 14th overall since 1988. These are the only first round centers taken from 1988-2006. They were all taken between #14 and #29. Brian Williams, 18th overall in 1989 Bern Brostek, 23rd overall in 1990 Steve Everitt, 14th overall in 1993 Jeff Hartings, 23rd overall in 1996, Pro Bowl in his 8th and 9th years with his second team, Pittsburgh Damien Woody17th overall in 1999, Pro Bowl in his 3rd year Jeff Faine, 21st overall in 2003, Pro Bowl alternate in his 5th year Chris Spencer, 26th overall in 2005 Nick Mangold 29th overall in 2006, Pro Bowl alternate in 2007, Pro Bowl in 2008 In summary, interior offensive linemen are not often drafted in the first round for whatever reason. But the ones that are typically prove to be very good values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'm not necessary excited about this Oline this year, I'll take that with two rookies filling in. What I'm excited is about that they went out an actually drafted some interior linemen early. There building for the future but I fully expect these two rooks to not only start but to play well. Over the last 5 or 6 years, the top interior linemen in the draft have started early and played extremely well. Wood is going to be the best draft pick this century, the kid is the next Logan Mankins. what would have been really impressive was if they drafted the G & C AND kept Peters and Dockery AND got an OL coach that knew what he was doing. how the OL coach gets a free pass after getting very little prodution out of $50 million G is beyond me. Why no focus on the failed blocking schemes?/ and now the team is relying on this inept coach to mold 5 guys playing new positions into a dominant force?? OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I thought they were gonna move Whitner to guard, but maybe they'll just cut him instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 what would have been really impressive was if they drafted the G & C AND kept Peters and Dockery AND got an OL coach that knew what he was doing. how the OL coach gets a free pass after getting very little prodution out of $50 million G is beyond me. Why no focus on the failed blocking schemes?/ and now the team is relying on this inept coach to mold 5 guys playing new positions into a dominant force?? OK I agree about Peters, but Dockery? C'mon Bro, he was soft and subpar. He played as if he didn't give a flying you know what. Good riddance to him. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I agree about Peters, but Dockery? C'mon Bro, he was soft and subpar. He played as if he didn't give a flying you know what. Good riddance to him. Seriously. and don't you ever ask why he played so soft in Buffalo? 2 years ago, he was so highly sought after to demand a $50 million contract he plays like crap in 2008 under an inept OL coach the very day after he is cut, his former team who is well versed in his talent, signs him for another $26 million contract. seems to me the OL coaching is what is turning out a a panzy OL product. The OL uses poor schemes and the OL has no identity. The players may be new in 2009, but who is going to instill the identity and schemes to make it work??? The Bills should have kept the players, drafted the rookies and brought in a real OL coach, instead of creating more holes than they could replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 and don't you ever ask why he played so soft in Buffalo? Interesting theory. Dockery played like a puss because of the coaching. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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