smuvtalker Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 First let me just say I thoroughly enjoy reading all of the topics and posts on this board, and for the most part, I just read and don't reply often. But since this time of year is so slow, I decided to voice a huge concern of mine. My biggest fear, in regard to this upcoming season, is that Buffalo improves it's record by, let's just say, two games, and finishes 9-7. Most likely that won't be enough to get us into the playoffs. But due to the improvement, ownership and management decides to keep DJ around.... I do not like, and have never liked Dick Jauron as the coach of the Buffalo Bills. I didn't like the pick when it was first made, and have never come around. The biggest thing I dislike about him is that he seems to be lifeless on the sidelines, and the team seems as if it's taken his identity. I think that they are okay with losing! In that recent article by Tim Graham about Jim Kelly, even Jimbo said that the locker room was dead, and you couldn't even tell if the team won or lost...that is truly, truly sad. So, my question to everyone is this...What has to happen this year for the Bills to retain Jauron? Is a one or two game improvement going to be enough to keep him? Wild card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Capolupo Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Water=Wine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuffan34 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 First let me just say I thoroughly enjoy reading all of the topics and posts on this board, and for the most part, I just read and don't reply often. But since this time of year is so slow, I decided to voice a huge concern of mine. My biggest fear, in regard to this upcoming season, is that Buffalo improves it's record by, let's just say, two games, and finishes 9-7. Most likely that won't be enough to get us into the playoffs. But due to the improvement, ownership and management decides to keep DJ around.... I do not like, and have never liked Dick Jauron as the coach of the Buffalo Bills. I didn't like the pick when it was first made, and have never come around. The biggest thing I dislike about him is that he seems to be lifeless on the sidelines, and the team seems as if it's taken his identity. I think that they are okay with losing! In that recent article by Tim Graham about Jim Kelly, even Jimbo said that the locker room was dead, and you couldn't even tell if the team won or lost...that is truly, truly sad. So, my question to everyone is this...What has to happen this year for the Bills to retain Jauron? Is a one or two game improvement going to be enough to keep him? Wild card? Seeing as last season was supposed to be "Playoffs or Bust" I would hope that anything short of the playoffs would mean his dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 Seeing as last season was supposed to be "Playoffs or Bust" I would hope that anything short of the playoffs would mean his dismissal. I hope you are right. The sad thing though, i think if we were to finish 9-7, and somehow sneak into the playoffs as a wild-card, with a first round exit, that would be enough for them to keep jauron. Personally, i would need to see at least 10-6 for me to even think about wanting to see him return as a head coach. Because of the difficult schedule, i would think 10-6 would be enough to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 First let me just say I thoroughly enjoy reading all of the topics and posts on this board, and for the most part, I just read and don't reply often. But since this time of year is so slow, I decided to voice a huge concern of mine. My biggest fear, in regard to this upcoming season, is that Buffalo improves it's record by, let's just say, two games, and finishes 9-7. Most likely that won't be enough to get us into the playoffs. But due to the improvement, ownership and management decides to keep DJ around.... I do not like, and have never liked Dick Jauron as the coach of the Buffalo Bills. I didn't like the pick when it was first made, and have never come around. The biggest thing I dislike about him is that he seems to be lifeless on the sidelines, and the team seems as if it's taken his identity. I think that they are okay with losing! In that recent article by Tim Graham about Jim Kelly, even Jimbo said that the locker room was dead, and you couldn't even tell if the team won or lost...that is truly, truly sad. So, my question to everyone is this...What has to happen this year for the Bills to retain Jauron? Is a one or two game improvement going to be enough to keep him? Wild card? The same thing that is happening currently: A 7-9 season, and the Bills manufacturing any reason to buy season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 If Dick Juron is replaced he will be replaced with another Dick Juron type coach. Do you all realize this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 The same thing that is happening currently: A 7-9 season, and the Bills manufacturing any reason to buy seasontickets. sad...oh so sad....is that what we have become? a franchise that is only interested in making money, and could care less about fielding a winning product? i pray this isn't the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 If Dick Juron is replaced he will be replaced with another Dick Juron type coach. Do you all realize this? I just can't see that happening. Not again. I believe that if the Bills sh$t the bed again this year, and Jauron is canned, RW will have no choice but to bring in a proven winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gflande1 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I just can't see that happening. Not again. I believe that if the Bills sh$t the bed again this year, and Jauron is canned, RW will have no choice but to bring in a proven winner. I wish what was true, but history has shown that he probably wont. Didnt we say the same thing after Williams and Mularkey? I hope we have a good season. I hate to say it, but a bad season just means we start rebuilding with a new GM and HC. I like the team we have. With a few more key players, I think we have a chance. I dont think this season is it, but it could be. I think another off season like we have had with a couple key pickups we will be in the hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don4593 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 19-0, 18-1 wont cut it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 That might be the easiest question ever asked at TBD, and it can be answered with one word=Playoffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Playoffs! ...or bust. W/L record be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 At least one win in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Playoffs he stays for sure even with a bad first round loss. 10-6 without playoffs, he stays for sure (unless they like lose their last 3 games to end 10-6) and the reasoning will be no reason to get rid of him now that the team is so close, makes no sense to blow the whole thing up, etc. And 9-7 and no playoffs he might even stay if the feeling is the team is getting very close. Sorry, no way he is gone automatically if he fails to make the playoffs. Just wait until the end of the season if you think I'm an idiot by saying so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offde-fence Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 I think this year it's Jauron's team, meaning that it is what he wants it to be, and will play as a team as a representation of he and his staff. They've got to make the playoffs for him to keep his job, and I don't think limping in will do it, either. If another AFC East team gets to 13 or 14 or better wins, and the Bills have to make it with a wild card, I'd think they'd have to have 10 wins to do so. Ten wins against our schedule is pretty good. But, most importantly, I think the team has to be consistently good, much better than average, and show identity consistently. They've got to look like a team that should be playing in the playoffs, that is well coached, and confident in their abilities. They can't be going up and down, some weeks flashing greatness, other weeks looking confused and frightened. So, it's 10 or more wins, and well run, consistent playoff caliber performances; because, next year there will be some good coaches available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 If he just makes a playoff appearance, I believe they keep him. I'd like to see him replaced if he has an early playoff exit, however, but I think this team is capable of making a deep run. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 If Dick Juron is replaced he will be replaced with another Dick Juron type coach. Do you all realize this? well sadly I do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Division Title. Jauron is in his fourth season and the Bills signed Terrell Owens. I know that does'nt automatically mean that the Bills will win the division, but why else would the Bills sign a player like Owens. Jauron knows how vital this season will be. Yes the schedule is brutal with the entire AFC & NFC South teams, but at the same time, the Patriots, Dolphins & Jets also have to play those same 8 teams. So their schedule is just as difficult as ours. A division championship would secure Jauron's job. While a playoff spot would be good, theoretically that can be achieved with a 9-7 record, and I do not think that will be enough. Unless the Bills go 11-5 and get a wildcard, then that would probably save Jauron too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Don't get your hopes up regardless of what Kelly says, Dick is here for the duration - no matter how bad the record is in 2009 -- unless Ralph is out of the picture. Dick is getting paid $6 mil for 3 years. Ralph wouldn't cut him loose because he had to eat $ 6mil in 2008 and won;t do it for $4 mil in 2009 either. People fail to understand that Dick orchestrated one of the greatest collapses in NFL history, going 2-8 and trashing a sure playoff spot. Bills won;t have the luxury of a 5-1 start in 2009, so the overall record will be closer to an extrapolation of that 2-8 finish from last year. Remember- It's tough to win in the NFL" - especially if Dick is your HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 If Jauron went 7-9 or less, I think he gets cut loose. Anything better and he could stay. After all, in a supposed make or break season, he went 2-8 in the final 10 against the second easiest schedule in the league and kept his job. Anything could happen at this point and it wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Don't get your hopes up regardless of what Kelly says, Dick is here for the duration - no matter how bad the record is in 2009 -- unless Ralph is out of the picture. Dick is getting paid $6 mil for 3 years. Ralph wouldn't cut him loose because he had to eat $ 6mil in 2008 and won;t do it for $4 mil in 2009 either. People fail to understand that Dick orchestrated one of the greatest collapses in NFL history, going 2-8 and trashing a sure playoff spot. Bills won;t have the luxury of a 5-1 start in 2009, so the overall record will be closer to an extrapolation of that 2-8 finish from last year. Remember- It's tough to win in the NFL" - especially if Dick is your HC Exactly. 2-8 to finish the season, 0-6 in the division, and 3-5 at home results in a CONTRACT EXTENSION!!! There is one man who will decide if Dick stays, and that man has four million reasons to peddle hope and continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Exactly. 2-8 to finish the season, 0-6 in the division, and 3-5 at home results in a CONTRACT EXTENSION!!! There is one man who will decide if Dick stays, and he's got four million reasons to peddle hope and continuity. Someone will inevitably say that DJ received the extension when Buffalo was 5-1. That's correct, but it wasn't announced officially and the team would not admit anything. Sean Payton inked an extension last year, and it was quickly noted by NO. Why the Bills try to remain so private is beyond me and indicative of some serious insecurity. But you're correct that he went 0-6 in the division (first winless division record since 1976) and managed to be so bad so often. It's all about money, as in the guarantee that RW would have to pay a guy he himself signed. No one can underestimate RW's ego either, as I find it hard that the owner who negotiated the contract would fire that same HC he re-signed two months later. IMO, there's something seriously wrong when the owner and not the quasi-GM is negotiating the coaches contract. Few teams have micromanaging owners like RW, namely Oakland and Cincinnati. Their track records speak for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 If his contract was ending this year, he might be let go with the thought they would find a better coach, etc. With 2 more years left on his contract anything like 9-7 or better and he is probably retained. Think of the Bills history. When have they ever fired a coach and paid a coach for 2 remaining years? With Wade Phillips Wilson fired him for insubordination and then tried not to pay him. But I think they ended up having to pay him so I don't know if they would try that again. So this talk about anything less than the playoffs and he is gone is not backed up by the Bills history at all. Its more the fans way of looking at things, not Bills management. At the end of last season, after 3 straight 7-9's the fans were as mad as they have ever been and basically demanded change. Change did not happen. If DJ goes 9-7 in 2009 the fans might be frustrated at the 10th straight year w/o playoffs but they can be mollified by management with the thought that a couple of good off season moves and we will be there in 2010. There is always next year and expect DJ to be a part of next year for a while more because somehow I see the Bills reaching at least 9-7 this year. If they go 7-9 or worse this year I think mgt. will probably not have a choice about firing him and will let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Someone will inevitably say that DJ received the extension when Buffalo was 5-1. That's correct, but it wasn't announced officially and the team would not admit anything. Sean Payton inked an extension last year, and it was quickly noted by NO. Why the Bills try to remain so private is beyond me and indicative of some serious insecurity. But you're correct that he went 0-6 in the division (first winless division record since 1976) and managed to be so bad so often. It's all about money, as in the guarantee that RW would have to pay a guy he himself signed. No one can underestimate RW's ego either, as I find it hard that the owner who negotiated the contract would fire that same HC he re-signed two months later. IMO, there's something seriously wrong when the owner and not the quasi-GM is negotiating the coaches contract. Few teams have micromanaging owners like RW, namely Oakland and Cincinnati. Their track records speak for themselves. That is correct (and obviously I was aware of it) but the end result is the same. The premature extension was just another brilliant move. God forbid another organization should swoop in and engage in a bidding war for Jauron's services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gflande1 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Don't get your hopes up regardless of what Kelly says, Dick is here for the duration - no matter how bad the record is in 2009 -- unless Ralph is out of the picture. Dick is getting paid $6 mil for 3 years. Ralph wouldn't cut him loose because he had to eat $ 6mil in 2008 and won;t do it for $4 mil in 2009 either. People fail to understand that Dick orchestrated one of the greatest collapses in NFL history, going 2-8 and trashing a sure playoff spot. Bills won;t have the luxury of a 5-1 start in 2009, so the overall record will be closer to an extrapolation of that 2-8 finish from last year. Remember- It's tough to win in the NFL" - especially if Dick is your HC I dont like defending Dick, but there is alot more to a football team than just a HC. The team played those games, not Jauron. I agree that he is a bad HC, but the players need to be held just as accountable if not more. His coaching didnt lose all of those games, it was a bad team that played poorly. You also have to remember that the 5-1 record came against poor teams, the 2-8 finish was against teams that were much better than us. I will admit that we would have probably won a couple of those games with better coaching, but it cant all be blamed on Jauron. If Dick was coaching the championship era team, they would have found a way to win. Its the team, not the coach that wins games. We have to admit that this is not an elite team. We need a new owner and a new philosophy. Getting rid of Dick and replacing him with another loser coach will show the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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