Vick - Should the Bills Pursue

[Orton's Arm]

The Bills already have their third string quarterback in the form of Gilbran Hamdan. It's far from obvious that Vick would be an upgrade.

[Coach55]

Who the F*#K are you to tell me to leave this site?!?

 

You have no factual evidence that his game has deteriorated do you? Were you a CO in Leavenworth and watched him every day in the yard get fat and slow? Did you watch him sit in his cell and do nothing? For all you know he was hitting the weights and running every day, and reading up on football defences.

 

I dont have an obsession with the wildcat or like it but the league is. Unless I am wrong we ran it a few times last year along with the rest of the copy cat teams in the leauge. And it proved that it did work. Im not looking up stats to prove you wrong, you can just be ignorant about it.

 

How much factual knowledge do you have that we will be running a no-huddle this year? Because Tim Graham and John Clayton wrote about it? Because the Bills said they were? They said that last year too, along with saying they would be using the FB alot more, and none of it happened. And how do you know Vick is too stupid to run it? Have you ever spoken to him? Whats his IQ? Better yet whats yours?

 

The Win/Loss record of Trent is 12-11 as a starter. If you call that most of the time I wonder how you manage your life. Do you consider being hired at McDonalds, Burger King and Moes most of the time in terms of job inquiries since you also applied to Taco Bell and Mighty Taco(man if you only got that Mighty job you would have been so cool). Michael is 41-31 in his career.

 

Last I checked Vick and Young were winning games. One of the only reasons why Young was benched was because of his mental make up. The league has not figured out how to beat them they were benched or are out of the league for other reasons. Their physical abilities can win games alone. No they are not the brightest in the league but you dont need to be smart to play football. Just like Dick Juron is extremely smart, but cant figure out when to throw a challenge flag. He also has more rushing TD's than Trent has passing.

 

I haved proved multiple times that I do have a clue what I am talking about. I have season tickets and until the day I die will be a Bills fan. I show up at 8am every home game to tailgate in rain, snow or shine and havent missed a game in 3 years, Ive been to the draft in NYC, Ive seen Bills players inducted into the HOF, Ive traveled cross-country to see the Bills play away games even during seasons of absolute hell. Who the hell are you to judge me!?!

 

The stats dont lie. He is better than Trent in his career as a starting QB. I happen to be a huge fan of Trent and believe that he can lead us to the playoffs if you ask my opinion. A backup or situational QB is never a bad thing. I never said anything about him being handed the starting job at all. All I said was that he should be given a chance. And the media coverage alone would help this team become more relevant and sell tickets than in the past. I also said that I didnt think it would happen because we already have our BACKUP QB!!! I just wouldnt be against it.

 

Now go F*$k yourself and get back to flipping your burgers and asking if they want fries with that.

You have to love blogs. It only takes a controversial subject and people are ready to throw down. We are all Bills fans here and are each entitled to your own opinion. If you are not a Bills fan, then you are entitled to nothing and can go root for a team that won't win Super Bowl 49.

[billybob]

Not as a regular QB - if you were talking about as a wildcat specialist then that's a conversation.

 

As for the dog fighting I think it's a horrible thing but there are a lot of horrible things going on that many people find perfectly acceptable - torture, acceptable collateral damage, bow hunting, helicopter hunting, 39.9 % credit interest, spying on every American's E-mails and phone calls to keep us free. At least Vick paid a price which is more than a lot of criminals do.

[DrDawkinstein]

no, it would be 3 steps back for this team.

[The_Philster]

Only to toss that piece of garbage over the Falls...that's the only reason he should ever be seen in WNY

[mrags]

You have to love blogs. It only takes a controversial subject and people are ready to throw down. We are all Bills fans here and are each entitled to your own opinion. If you are not a Bills fan, then you are entitled to nothing and can go root for a team that won't win Super Bowl 49.

 

I only throw down with people that are actually worth it. He questioned my support for the team, I gave it.

[Magox]

Some Vick Career Passing Stats to chew on...

 

W/L record - 38-28-1 - very respectable

Cmp % - 53.8% - would have ranked 31st last year out of 33 QBs.

Rating - 75.7 - 28th last year

TD% - 4.1% - 12th last year

INT% - 3% - 26th last year

YPA - 6.7 - 22nd last year

Sack% - 9.8 - 33rd last year

 

If it wasn't for his running ability, he wouldn't be a starting NFL QB. He just isn't good enough.

"If it wasn't for his running" ???

 

Thats like saying if it wasn't for Shaq's size he wouldn't of been a great NBA Center.

 

Running is what makes him unique and dangerous.

 

Btw, the most important stat that you mentioned is the W/L record.

[mrags]

"If it wasn't for his running" ???

 

Thats like saying if it wasn't for Shaq's size he wouldn't of been a great NBA Center.

 

Running is what makes him unique and dangerous.

 

Btw, the most important stat that you mentioned is the W/L record.

 

You crack me up Magox. So true. You also could have said, w/o Jerry Rice's hands he would have been an average WR. LOL. Im not saying I exactly want him on the team, but if someone honestly thinks his ability wouldnt help win games they are nuts.

[djcalvin79]

Btw, the most important stat that you mentioned is the W/L record.

I don't know about that - why would a QB's W/L record justify games that the defense played like crap??

[SteamRoller67]

You crack me up Magox. So true. You also could have said, w/o Jerry Rice's hands he would have been an average WR. LOL. Im not saying I exactly want him on the team, but if someone honestly thinks his ability wouldnt help win games they are nuts.

 

He would help win games....but,

I'll take 10-6 and fighting for our playoff lives with TE over selling Buffalo's soul to the national media devil and going 12-4 with a convicted felon.

[Magox]

I don't know about that - why would a QB's W/L record justify games that the defense played like crap??

all right, so which single stat would you say is the most important one out of the stats that he mentioned?

[Sen. John Blutarsky]

I agree.

 

Who the voted yes?!

Me. Hate away.

[mrags]

He would help win games....but,

I'll take 10-6 and fighting for our playoff lives with TE over selling Buffalo's soul to the national media devil and going 12-4 with a convicted felon.

 

Dont we already have criminals on this team? Lynch, Whitner, Simpson? Every team has issues. Im sure the Pats arent all choir boys either. And yes, I would take 10-6 too if that were even in question. So far everyone is questioning even winning 6 or 7 games this year. The guy made a few mistakes. As sick of hearing the "paid his debt to society" statement you are it is true. I would like to think that if someone is rehabilitated they deserve a chance to prove it. If everyone took your stance then why bother letting anyone out of prison ever? Just execute everyone that has ever stolen a hubcap, smoked a little pot or had a DUI. I know, theres a big difference between that and murdering dogs. Let me ask you this.... how many times did you or anyone else as a kid shoot birds, squirrels, frogs, snakes with a BB gun? Have you been forgiven for that? Different all together I know, its not mans best freind, your not a kid anymore...blah, blah, blah. If your family or freinds did something like this would you hope they would find a job in the real world when they got out of prison? Im willing to bet you would hire your mother at your business even if she killed someone.

[ChevyVanMiller]

I don't care what sort of a debt *Vick has supposedly paid to society, a man who would willfully fight, torture and murder dogs is a lifetime zero as a human being in my book. It's something that cannot be explained away by calling it a youthful indiscretion. It wasn't a drunken mistake or a one-time error - it was calculated torture and murder by a millionaire moron.

 

I have a simple litmus test to judge a man's character: I see how he responds to a dog. I've found, without fail, that people who recoil from a friendly dog cannot be trusted - period.

 

I've bled Bills' blue for my entire life, but I would not support this team if they signed *Vick (I think he deserves an *).

[Sen. John Blutarsky]

I have a simple litmus test to judge a man's character: I see how he responds to a dog. I've found, without fail, that people who recoil from a friendly dog cannot be trusted - period.

There's no such thing as a friendly pit bull there are only pit bulls that haven't attacked anyone yet.

 

Are there plenty of friendly dogs in the world? Sure there are. Cocker spaniels? yes. German shepherds, yes, Retrievers? yes. Bulldogs? yes. (which by the way were specifically bred for their fighting acumen which is why they look the way they look)

 

Pit bulls exist for a single purpose and I would not let my child NEAR one let alone own one.

[Lt. Dan's Revenge]

There's no such thing as a friendly pit bull there are only pit bulls that haven't attacked anyone yet.

 

Are there plenty of friendly dogs in the world? Sure there are. Cocker spaniels? yes. German shepherds, yes, Retrievers? yes. Bulldogs? yes. (which by the way were specifically bred for their fighting acumen which is why they look the way they look)

 

Pit bulls exist for a single purpose and I would not let my child NEAR one let alone own one.

 

That is not true at all. I have been around pit bulls quite a bit, and from my experience 9 out of 10 times they are fine dogs who only turn mean and dangerous when trained to do so. That is the case for many big dogs, including German shepherds, a breed that you brought up. Just because they are the most common dog trained to do the crap that Vick was doing with them doesn't mean that ones that are never subject to that type of enviroment are of that nature. Talk to some owners.

[yall]

I would pursue him - anywhere I saw him to kick him in the balls.

 

One thing people forget about the c*%$suckers is that they will regularly steal pets from regular people to use as opponents for their fighting dogs. As a dog owner, I hope he and his crew of criminal scumbags rot in hell for eternity.

[Mr. WEO]

For all you know he was hitting the weights and running every day, and reading up on football defences.

 

Maybe he was reading about how to get over de(prison)fences, but it's unlikely he was reading about football defenses.

 

 

Last I checked Vick and Young were winning games. The league has not figured out how to beat them they were benched or are out of the league for other reasons. Their physical abilities can win games alone.

I assume the last time you checked was 2004. That was the last time the Falcons had a winning record with Vick as starter. If you watched the Falcs in Vick's last 2 years you would realize the claim that "their physical abilities can win games alone" is factually incorrect. Young flat out sucks at QB---AND he's a moron.

 

I have season tickets and until the day I die will be a Bills fan. I show up at 8am every home game to tailgate in rain, snow or shine and havent missed a game in 3 years, Ive been to the draft in NYC, Ive seen Bills players inducted into the HOF, Ive traveled cross-country to see the Bills play away games even during seasons of absolute hell. Who the hell are you to judge me!?!

If you want to show us all your balls, why don't you just lift a leg?

 

Now go F*$k yourself and get back to flipping your burgers and asking if they want fries with that.

 

Lighten up, Francis

I haved proved multiple times that I do have a clue what I am talking about.

 

Reference please.

[SteamRoller67]

Dont we already have criminals on this team? Lynch, Whitner, Simpson? Every team has issues. Im sure the Pats arent all choir boys either. And yes, I would take 10-6 too if that were even in question. So far everyone is questioning even winning 6 or 7 games this year. The guy made a few mistakes. As sick of hearing the "paid his debt to society" statement you are it is true. I would like to think that if someone is rehabilitated they deserve a chance to prove it. If everyone took your stance then why bother letting anyone out of prison ever? Just execute everyone that has ever stolen a hubcap, smoked a little pot or had a DUI. I know, theres a big difference between that and murdering dogs. Let me ask you this.... how many times did you or anyone else as a kid shoot birds, squirrels, frogs, snakes with a BB gun? Have you been forgiven for that? Different all together I know, its not mans best freind, your not a kid anymore...blah, blah, blah. If your family or freinds did something like this would you hope they would find a job in the real world when they got out of prison? Im willing to bet you would hire your mother at your business even if she killed someone.

 

Did I say criminals?

I clearly stated CONVICTED FELON.

Not sure what type of work you do, but legit businesses in the US do not hire convicted felons.

[Band of Merriman]

As a situational player he could really be an impactful player, provided that he still he hasn't lost his running abilities. The problem (aside from his criminal act) is that he's not going to come in as a situational player, let alone a back up QB. Vick is going to be looking for starter money. You need look no further than at his bankruptcy petition where he expected to earn somewhere in the $10MM range. The money alone is unrealistic for a player that's been out of the league for 2 years.