TimGraham Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 One of the overlooked elements of a no-huddle offense is a sure-handed tight end. The Bills released the droptastic Robert Royal and drafted Shawn Nelson out of Southern Miss in the fourth round. Nelson is balanced, but known more for his catching ability than his blocking. "Where the no-huddle is most effective is if you got a tight end that can step out a few yards and be a quick receiver and you've got a running back who can cheat out to the weak side and be a quick receiver out of the backfield," Wyche said. "You don't have to substitute to get four wide receivers. You can get your third and fourth receiver from your tight end or your backs. That's when you really optimize your offense." Also one of the overlooked elements of my story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Where the heck is Wyche?? He's retired and back home in South Carolina. He's involved in local politics and public speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Also one of the overlooked elements of my story. Sorry Tim....I totally missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Maybe this is a marketing ploy from Brandon to make it easier to do commercials next year: K-Gun 1990 versus K-Gun 2009. Show some Kelly and then Edwards. Those commercials showing highlights from the glory years will never run out. They must need new material for 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry KenneBREW Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The first thing that I thought of when I saw this was thank God we still have Roscoe Parrish. I think he could be deadly in open space with an exausted defense on the field with Owens and Lee eating up defenders. Dude will look like Barry Sanders out there. UNTOUCHABLE. We better not trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 One overlooked aspect of the K-Gun's success was running the counter trey, Thurman's bread & butter. I think we may have not only intelligent linemen, but also the kind that can pull quick enough. And while I'm on the subject of offense, let's see some more screen plays. We've got backs that can catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I like it, bring it on. A nice surpise for the Pat's in the opener. How can it be a surprise if we are all talking about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 How can it be a surprise if we are all talking about it? The suprise will be in the 2nd half when we assume our 17 point lead is enough to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 My favorite part of article: "The Bills also signed a brainy center to make the line calls. Geoff Hangartner scored 47 out of 50 on his Wonderlic intelligence test before the 2005 draft. That's supposedly the record among offensive linemen." Gotta have intelligence on the O-line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 One overlooked aspect of the K-Gun's success was running the counter trey, Thurman's bread & butter. I think we may have not only intelligent linemen, but also the kind that can pull quick enough. And while I'm on the subject of offense, let's see some more screen plays. We've got backs that can catch. What's a screen? Obviously, that page has been missing from the Bills playbook for years. I think it is missing from the defensive playbook, as well, as they can't seem to stop one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyrich Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 And our O-Line will become about 40% better because of the no huddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 What's a screen? Obviously, that page has been missing from the Bills playbook for years. I think it is missing from the defensive playbook, as well, as they can't seem to stop one. Oh, how so very, very true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGraham Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Sorry Tim....I totally missed it. Just having fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyDingo Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Coach Jauron has been known as an innovator his whole career. I could totally see this happening. They used to call him Crazy Dick during his championship run with the Bears back in '29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Crap! I was gonna post something like this the second I had the time-->really I had been reading the K-Gun playbook. I've been thinking no-huddle since the draft. But, then again, I know what I would write would NOT include quotes from Sam Wyche, etc. Posts like this are better left to the professionals like Tim anyway. However, here's what I was thinking that hasn't already been said someplace here(edit: in terms of blocking TEs not catching TEs) 1. For those of you that don't know, the K-Gun was predicated on the Tight End position = the K stood for the name of the TE = Keith McKellar. 2. Here's a handy copy of the 1994 K-gun offense for X's and O's dweebs(including me). 3. If you look at #2, you can see just how important TEs are in terms of protection schemes, formations, etc. to the K-Gun. Not saying that TE is important to every no-huddle system, but I have to figure that most of the concepts described above are relatively universal. 4. We know Edwards can move his feet and throw on the run. That makes all the waggles and roll-outs available. (Why the hell we didn't have JP moving his feet, I'll never know. You throw off the entire pass rush scheme when you move just 5 yards. But that's all in the past.) 5. For this to work we have to count on Nelson, etc. at least being able to throw a decent chip block on an outside LB and then get open in the space behind that OLB if he is blitzing/playing the run. In fact if you look through the plays, chip blocks by RBs and TEs are all over the place. Also the RBs and TEs have to work together on who is blocking and who is getting open after an initial block, etc. I am comfortable with our current backfield being able to chip block people and disrupt rushes, and then get open. But, I'm not sure if Nelson can do all that, and while I am sure that Fine, etc. can do the blocking part, I'm not sure that they can do the get open after the block, catch the ball, etc. part. Again, perhaps hurry-ups are not defined all the same as the K-Gun, but it seems to me that many of the concepts of a hurry-up depend on the TE, and that's a lot to put on Nelson's shoulders. However, while I don't know if 4 and 5 will work, anything is better than last year's offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Riddle me this, with an O-line starting somebody new at every position, including two rookies who have never played these respective positions before, aren't we just opening up ourselves for disaster? I'm all for the no-huddle, the no huddle IS Buffalo, I just wonder if its right to implement it right away, and if its smart to make it public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Riddle me this, with an O-line starting somebody new at every position, including two rookies who have never played these respective positions before, aren't we just opening up ourselves for disaster? I'm all for the no-huddle, the no huddle IS Buffalo, I just wonder if its right to implement it right away, and if its smart to make it public? Agree. Those are my thoughts. We have many questions about this line with possibly 2 rookies starting. Not the time to run a no-huddle offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Riddle me this, with an O-line starting somebody new at every position, including two rookies who have never played these respective positions before, aren't we just opening up ourselves for disaster? I'm all for the no-huddle, the no huddle IS Buffalo, I just wonder if its right to implement it right away, and if its smart to make it public? If the right people are in place, it's tough to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Riddle me this, with an O-line starting somebody new at every position, including two rookies who have never played these respective positions before, aren't we just opening up ourselves for disaster? I'm all for the no-huddle, the no huddle IS Buffalo, I just wonder if its right to implement it right away, and if its smart to make it public? Actually, I believe the No huddle could hide some of the O-Line's deficiencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Riddle me this, with an O-line starting somebody new at every position, including two rookies who have never played these respective positions before, aren't we just opening up ourselves for disaster? I'm all for the no-huddle, the no huddle IS Buffalo, I just wonder if its right to implement it right away, and if its smart to make it public? It helps that we drafted two very smart players. Wonderlic scores: Levitre- 36 Wood- 29 I don't think they will have as much trouble as the average rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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