SDS Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 AFC: 1 - Baltimore Ravens 6 - Tennessee Titans 6 - Pittsburgh Steelers 8 - Miami Dolphins 11 - Indianapolis Colts 11 - San Diego Chargers . . . 27 - Buffalo Bills So, no one here thinks that a guy for a nose for the ball can help this team? Has anyone ever seen the the turnover differential stats vs. wins/losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Yep. Turnovers are the most telling stat in football. Hopefully Byrd can make that transition and be a ballhawk at FS. But does he have the range? His timed speed leaves a lot to be desired. Whitner needs to step it up and emerge as a big time player and play like the number eight overall pick he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 Yep. Turnovers are the most telling stat in football. Hopefully Byrd can make that transition and be a ballhawk at FS. But does he have the range? His timed speed leaves a lot to be desired. Whitner needs to step it up and emerge as a big time player and play like the number eight overall pick he is. Ed Reed: Time: 4.57s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Yep. Turnovers are the most telling stat in football. Hopefully Byrd can make that transition and be a ballhawk at FS. But does he have the range? His timed speed leaves a lot to be desired. Whitner needs to step it up and emerge as a big time player and play like the number eight overall pick he is. Instincts, break, angles, intelligence, nose for the ball, and hands are ALL far more important than the 6 inches that separates a 4.4 guy from a 4.6 guy in the vast majority of the plays where pure speed factors in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Yep. Turnovers are the most telling stat in football. Hopefully Byrd can make that transition and be a ballhawk at FS. But does he have the range? His timed speed leaves a lot to be desired. Whitner needs to step it up and emerge as a big time player and play like the number eight overall pick he is. Bills seem to like safeties that can cover at the corner. We'll see how this pick goes but I am not happy with it on principle - far too many other gaps to be filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJuiceSimpson Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 AFC:1 - Baltimore Ravens 6 - Tennessee Titans 6 - Pittsburgh Steelers 8 - Miami Dolphins 11 - Indianapolis Colts 11 - San Diego Chargers . . . 27 - Buffalo Bills So, no one here thinks that a guy for a nose for the ball can help this team? Has anyone ever seen the the turnover differential stats vs. wins/losses? I do agree that this guy can cause some turnovers. But those teams get turnovers because they get pressure on the QB and force him to make a bad decision. No pressure, no turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Not doubting you SDS, but are you sure that's an accurate 40 time for Ed Reed? He sure plays a lot faster than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I don't think there's anyone who would argue with you that more interceptions would be better. But this stat doesn't tell you anything about safeties. I tend to think a good pass rush is the most important factor in generating turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Times are spec. If it's the playoffs and Byrd intercepts a pass and has a wide open field in front of him, I bet he'd smoke his pre-draft time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 By most accounts, the Patriots first pick (Patrick Chung) was a reach. Might the Bills have stunned US with this pick if the Patriots hadn't beaten us to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Ed Reed: Time: 4.57s Damn! And they were saying Byrd could be a Reed-type player in terms of being a ballhawk at FS. I didn't know he timed that slow. Reed is crazy fast on the field. If the Bills do in fact plan on playing him at FS, then this pick isn't so bad. 17 INTs in three years is pretty impressive. Here's hoping it works out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Agreed, however what does that mean for Whitner, as he is being projected as the FS for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Times are spec. If it's the playoffs and Byrd intercepts a pass and has a wide open field in front of him, I bet he'd smoke his pre-draft time. Most likely, that 4.67 or whatever he ran wasn't representative of what he'd normally run, anyway. He's been injured and wasn't able to work out at Oregon's Pro Day. You can probably safely knock a tenth or so off that time, I'd guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 I don't think there's anyone who would argue with you that more interceptions would be better. But this stat doesn't tell you anything about safeties. I tend to think a good pass rush is the most important factor in generating turnovers. So, you can put just about anyone back there huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Not doubting you SDS, but are you sure that's an accurate 40 time for Ed Reed? He sure plays a lot faster than that! Football speed vs. track speed. Bryd seems to play faster than he measures because he appears to have the knack for 'anticipation' that Reed has. Not saying he's in that class, but the video I've seen of him typically shows Bryd reading the QB and taking good angles on the route, rather than just chasing the WR around the field. That's a hard skill to find. The single most impressive play I saw last year was Ed Reed's second INT of Pennington in the playoff game. "Backed up at the Ravens' 15-yard line, Reed picked off Pennington's throw over the middle. This interception was easier than the first one for Reed. Pennington "was staring down [his receiver]. That drew me over there," Reed said. Pennington acknowledged that Reed had baited him. "He totally leaves his spot and shows up in a place you would never imagine him being in," Pennington said. "That's why he's special." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills-fan in arizona Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Found this on nfl.com... "Thomas George, NFL.com When we talk impact guys, I mean guys that can come in, find a role, produce in it and increase it as the season moves forward. And four player in particular in the second round fit that bill for me. Robiskie in Cleveland gives the Browns sure hands and playmaking at receiver. He will be a gift for Quinn or Anderson, whiever one wins the starting job. Byrd as a corner in Buffalo will produce. The son of a former NFL star, I had the pleasure of visting with him in a personal setting prior to the draft and left impressed with his approach and maturity. On the field, a natural talent. Pat White in Miami will be a fun player to watch inside and on the edges. And LeSean McCoy in Philadelphia is a new toy for both coach Andy Reid and quarterback Donovan McNabb. " I like impact players, escpecially if he can play FS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Bills seem to like safeties that can cover at the corner. We'll see how this pick goes but I am not happy with it on principle - far too many other gaps to be filled. FYI: Safety was a VERY BIG gap for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHFO Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 FYI: Safety was a VERY BIG gap for us... true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Not doubting you SDS, but are you sure that's an accurate 40 time for Ed Reed? He sure plays a lot faster than that! Have you ever seen a 40 yard dash? The difference in .10 to .20 in terms of distance in a finish is not much and matters more in 1 on 1 seperation. Its important in the NFL for WR's and CB's becuase a completed pass often comes down to small seperation or split second anticipation. However, at Safety, this time is severly diminished because they play on timing and angles. A forty time like Byrd's is actually fine for a safety, especially one that has great anticipation and takes good angles. Look at how dangerous he was a kick returner, his speed is more than enough. Also, 40 yard dash times become meaningless when you get your pads on...there are the track fast guys and then there are the FOOTBALL fast guys who play faster in game. Ed Reed isnt the fastest guy in 40 yard dash, but very few play as fast as him in game as an example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Found this on nfl.com... "Thomas George, NFL.com When we talk impact guys, I mean guys that can come in, find a role, produce in it and increase it as the season moves forward. And four player in particular in the second round fit that bill for me. Robiskie in Cleveland gives the Browns sure hands and playmaking at receiver. He will be a gift for Quinn or Anderson, whiever one wins the starting job. Byrd as a corner in Buffalo will produce. The son of a former NFL star, I had the pleasure of visting with him in a personal setting prior to the draft and left impressed with his approach and maturity. On the field, a natural talent. Pat White in Miami will be a fun player to watch inside and on the edges. And LeSean McCoy in Philadelphia is a new toy for both coach Andy Reid and quarterback Donovan McNabb. " I like impact players, escpecially if he can play FS!!! Byrd will be a very solid FS for us. I have a few friends with ESPN who are from the Washington State and they say this guy is great. The Ed Reed comparison is obviously premature but he has a knack for hte ball which is exactly what we just lost with Greer. It will be a better move than Ko Simpson at FS. Whitner is not a turnover machine, nor should he be expected to be. He is a strong run supporter and a guy that can hang with RB's and smaller TE's that break out of the back field. thats where he excels. putting a guy with good ball instincts (anyone remember mark kelso?) along side whitner is a great move. I suspect Ko gets cut soon... i hate to say it, but Brandon might be doing some good work as GM, at least i am more impressed than I have been in a few years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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