DC Tom Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Funny how the arm-chair quarterback of PPP slings sh-- at others while contributing nothing but sh--. And you derive a sense of moral superiority from...armchair quarterbacking the armchair quarterback? Or portraying yourself as the "Defender of The Downtrodden and Abused of The Interweb"? Either way, I think that's the definition of "loser". Now get of the magic interweb box, so daddy can finish his taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manateefan Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Then how do you explain this? I understand somehwat about brain injuries. Did you know that with just a concussion you can experience dizziness and blackouts up to six months after? She was checked by a doctor but one hour later complained about a headache. She was taken to a hospital in a relatively short time frame. Didn't they do tests? MRI? CAT? When she went to the hospital she was still awake; what treatment did they prescribe after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You can have success without luck, you can have it without contacts but you will never have it without effort. Well, if you equate success to the accumulation of cash (I don't, but the post I initially responded to, implied that connection), then you are full of s#it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well, if you equate success to the accumulation of cash (I don't, but the post I initially responded to, implied that connection), then you are full of s#it. I never said that wealth equals success. There are plenty of wealthy people that have had very little or no success. The whole Lions football team comes to mind here but don't tell me these guys aren't busting their ass. But oftentimes hard work turns to success with is often followed by affluence or at least financial comfort. My point was that because success is typically rewarded by financial security people have a drive to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 BTW, isn't this whole thread fairly worthless? If you have enough money, you can buy good health care (and justice!) in the USA. Hooray for us! Not as worthless as Canada's health care system, obvious leeching off of all of our research, our breakthroughs, and our drugs. You might buy drugs from Canada, but they are never invented there. Why don't we stop talking about "people", and we start talking about "you". Are "you" going to get major surgery here, or in Canada? And, hey, in Canada, you get free health care... 1. if somebody arbitrarily decides you do based on actuarial algorithms 2. if your body is "worthy" 3. if you don't mind waiting 2 years for it 4. if you don't die before you get it 5. that treats your symptoms/conditions that could have been preventable 80% of the time, but are now WORSE because you had to wait 2 years 6. that will progressively diminish in quantity and quality over time due to the inevitable reduction of supply that comes with capping doctor's salaries at $50,000 AND has constantly progressively increased cost built in = "use it or lose it" budgeting/accounting 7-150. (I could literally give you one for each if you want to keep going) Hooray for Canada! Edit: don't get me wrong, our system needs change. But we need the right change. Two wrongs, our system, and Canada's, don't make a right. Holding up Canada's system as a viable, successful replacement for ours = holding up Kelly Holcomb as a viable, successful replacement for JP. They both suck, and you need something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 all the good doctors move to the US where they can actually get PAID to do there job.. like Jason Peters would like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 all the good doctors move to the US where they can actually get PAID to do there job.. like Jason Peters would like! Yes, but we also send their sorry asses back to whereverland if they suck. I have seen it right in front of me. The US is the NFL of health care because we pay the best their market value.... ...except for OB/GYNs we regularly screw them over with malpractice insurance. Now there's a shortage of them. Great plan. Thanks a lot douche bag lawyers. But yeah, we should probably move away from having the best doctors in the world in our hospitals. Lesser docs will be much better because schitty docs need to work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 ...except for OB/GYNs we regularly screw them over with malpractice insurance. Now there's a shortage of them. Great plan. Thanks a lot douche bag lawyers. But that's okay, because holostic medicine practiced by midwives is better. [/my otherwise-intelligent sister] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 But that's okay, because holostic medicine practiced by midwives is better. [/my otherwise-intelligent sister] The new thing is: Labor Specialist. So it works like this: you show up at the hospital in labor? Some doctor you've never met and has never seen you is suddenly in charge of your labor. They deal with your labor, however it goes, and that's it. This way you can't sue them if something goes wrong, because they didn't prepare any orders, care plans in preparation for the birth, they just happened to be standing there when your kid pops out. They can't have done anything wrong, because they are completely oblivious to you until you show up. It's modeled after the liability of emergency room doc. Yeah, rolling the dice with an ad-hoc doctor is a much better idea than having a doc who knows your history, allergies, etc., and is able to plan out what needs to happen. The reality is: there are sick babies and sometimes they die at birth, there are sick mothers and sometimes they die too, no amount of emoting changes either statement, and rational thought needs to be applied here instead of avoiding liability by making the doctor be ignorant of patient, and therefore not liable. The first thing we need to do to fix health care is get the lawyers out of it. There will be no peace amongst the providers, patients, government, insurance companies to fix the big problems like waste, IT, cost, etc., if you can't get them to stop suing each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Edit: don't get me wrong, our system needs change. But we need the right change. Two wrongs, our system, and Canada's, don't make a right. Holding up Canada's system as a viable, successful replacement for ours = holding up Kelly Holcomb as a viable, successful replacement for JP. They both suck, and you need something else. I actually agree with all of that. I'm not sure I wold choose Canada's system, as the right change, but I do know that the USA is the only industrialized nation with no universal health care insurance/program. Isn't is interesting that we can't figure out how to give basic health care to our citizens, when every other industrialized country can.? Health care in this country needs a major overhaul, IMO...and I don't just mean health care insurance. And, I reject the idea that universal care (at some level) is too expensive. The cost of the current system (treating uninsured citizens at emergency rooms, and providing virtually nothing in the way of preventative care) can't be the most cost effective option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 The new thing is: Labor Specialist. So it works like this: you show up at the hospital in labor? Some doctor you've never met and has never seen you is suddenly in charge of your labor. They deal with your labor, however it goes, and that's it. This way you can't sue them if something goes wrong, because they didn't prepare any orders, care plans in preparation for the birth, they just happened to be standing there when your kid pops out. They can't have done anything wrong, because they are completely oblivious to you until you show up. It's modeled after the liability of emergency room doc. That is...seriously whacked. Funny thing is, I could see where that would improve mortality stats in birthing, simply by reducing the ridiculous liability costs that drive good people away from the profession. That's not a statement of the quality of a system based on "Labor Specialists" as much as an indictment of how screwed up things are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Get the lawyers and illegal aliens out of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Uh Oh http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29733775/ The medical examiner ruled her death an accident, and doctors said she might have survived had she received immediate treatment. However, nearly four hours elapsed between her lethal fall and her admission to a hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I actually agree with all of that. I'm not sure I wold choose Canada's system, as the right change, but I do know that the USA is the only industrialized nation with no universal health care insurance/program. Isn't is interesting that we can't figure out how to give basic health care to our citizens, when every other industrialized country can.? Health care in this country needs a major overhaul, IMO...and I don't just mean health care insurance. And, I reject the idea that universal care (at some level) is too expensive. The cost of the current system (treating uninsured citizens at emergency rooms, and providing virtually nothing in the way of preventative care) can't be the most cost effective option. Here's Walter William's column of a few weeks ago - Sweden's Government Health Care: http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/w...tHealthCare.htm It's my understanding that "universal" health care systems discriminate based on age, in as that as you get older, certain procedures are denied for "cost savings" purposes. That approach also serves to reduce payouts from a retirement system such as social security... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Uh Oh http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29733775/ You forgot this little tidbit. Coderre said medics arrived at the hill 17 minutes later. But the actress refused medical attention, he said, so ambulance staffers turned and left after spotting a sled taking the still-conscious actress away to the resort’s on-site clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 You forgot this little tidbit. Coderre said medics arrived at the hill 17 minutes later. But the actress refused medical attention, he said, so ambulance staffers turned and left after spotting a sled taking the still-conscious actress away to the resort’s on-site clinic. What are you doing here on a Friday night? No Hannah Montana concerts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 What are you doing here on a Friday night? No Hannah Montana concerts? Sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Sold out. You actually buy tickets? I thought you just stood outside offering lollipops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 You actually buy tickets? I thought you just stood outside offering lollipops You've been following me or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 You've been following me or what? It's easy to track you these days with online sex offender registry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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