Big Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I gotta say that the timeline in the article does not make sense nor does the description of what took place. I suspect that they had plans to go for someone big like Jason Brown, who by the way got taken after Duke Preston by the Ravens in that draft - 2005 I believe. Also looking to re-sign Peters and I believe that Chambers has been re-upped. What I don't understand is why they could not have just made a big signing if that is what they intended and then released or traded Dock unless it was out of professional courtesy. It's not like his salary was going to hurt us any less on the cap-side or otherwise. All this being said, I am looking for reasons that we don't suck and so far my search has been futile. Put that extra money to some good use on some quality FAs (what is left) to fill the holes that are even more apparent and perhaps we can move on from yet another round of dubious decision making. -BBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Who knows. But, a team does have to send paperwork to the league for a trade so the league can determine if everything is cap kosher and so on. If the papers get faxed to a porn number of something, then the trade never happened. But, the Bills didn't need to cut Dockery at any given time. There is no deadline, that I can think of. Why wouldn't they just refile the papers. The story makes no sense, as written. There might be something there, but I can't figure out what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 But, the Bills didn't need to cut Dockery at any given time. There is no deadline, that I can think of. Why wouldn't they just refile the papers. The story makes no sense, as written. There might be something there, but I can't figure out what it is. It does give one a headache reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Something is really fishy about the article. It says that we didn't file the paperwork to waive him and were exploring a trade. Then it says we didn't get the paperwork in on a trade and he was officially released on friday. Dockery wasn't a pending FA, so he's the bills property until released or traded. If we didn't waive him and didn't file the paperwork for a trade, how did he become a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 If you think we are going to win more than 4 games this year, I have a bridge to sell you. The whole staff was hired based on a guy that's been getting discounted coffee for~40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Something is really fishy about the article. It says that we didn't file the paperwork to waive him and were exploring a trade. Then it says we didn't get the paperwork in on a trade and he was officially released on friday. Dockery wasn't a pending FA, so he's the bills property until released or traded. If we didn't waive him and didn't file the paperwork for a trade, how did he become a free agent? Skooby, of course, remains clueless about this, given his last comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 That sounds like it could be what happened. The deadline comment, in the article, made little sense to me. The Bills cut him...he didn't become a FA at midnight because of a missed deadline. Clearly the trade to Detroit didn't come to fruition...unless I am missing something here. I read, and reread that article three times. I don't get it. I really don't understand what Clayton is saying, as far as the Bills are concerned. It doesn't make any sense. I don't hate Clayton like everyone else here, but that is a very poorly written article. Though I wouldn't be shocked if the Bills screwed something up here, I am not sure how they could have, given the information that Clayton is supplying. I will let the front office have a pass on this, until it is explained more clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The article doesn' tmake sense. Wasn't dockery released on thursday and Dockery flew to Detroit today to meet with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 But, the Bills didn't need to cut Dockery at any given time. There is no deadline, that I can think of. Why wouldn't they just refile the papers. The story makes no sense, as written. There might be something there, but I can't figure out what it is. I thought I heard, somewhere, that by releasing Dockery before some deadline in March (I think the 10th, I am not sure) the Bills avoided having to pay Dockery a 1.8 million dollar roster bonus. But the date was a few weeks away still. There is still rumors out there that the Cowboys may cut Terrell Owens, by that same date, to avoid paying his roster bonus for the 2009 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzaloha Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3941156 They can't be that bad, can they??? If this is true, the Bills haven't had a screw up this bad, well....since, the botched clock mgmt in the last game of the season agst Pats! So Typical. Sad.........for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I thought I heard, somewhere, that by releasing Dockery before some deadline in March (I think the 10th, I am not sure) the Bills avoided having to pay Dockery a 1.8 million dollar roster bonus. But the date was a few weeks away still. There is still rumors out there that the Cowboys may cut Terrell Owens, by that same date, to avoid paying his roster bonus for the 2009 season. I believe I read the same article about Dockery getting a bonus in the near future. Even if the Bills FO messed up, which I'm not sure they did, it is a step in the right direction getting rid of Dockery. He was horrible last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I read, and reread that article three times. I don't get it. I really don't understand what Clayton is saying, as far as the Bills are concerned. It doesn't make any sense. I don't hate Clayton like everyone else here, but that is a very poorly written article. Though I wouldn't be shocked if the Bills screwed something up here, I am not sure how they could have, given the information that Clayton is supplying. I will let the front office have a pass on this, until it is explained more clearly. Typically you would give Clayton the benefit of the doubt. But as was pointed out and is clear from reading the original story, it is sloppily prepared and vague. I'm thinking sleep deprivation had a part in this and I don't trust the implications of the story. Before the lynch mob is assembled, I will wait to hear the official explanation. Given the firestorm of negative publicity I don't think there's any doubt that the team will make some sort of explanation. Until then it would be a good idea to act like mature adults until the smoke of confusion clears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The thing that bothers me is that we created a hole with no guaranty that we are going to be able to fill it with someone who is going to be an upgrade. They should have waited until they had an upgrade. I would hate to have start a rookie or a re-tread at left guard. I just hope they are able upgrade the left guard position - otherwise they are going to look pretty stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The thing that bothers me is that we created a hole with no guaranty that we are going to be able to fill it with someone who is going to be an upgrade. They should have waited until they had an upgrade. I would hate to have start a rookie or a re-tread at left guard. I just hope they are able upgrade the left guard position - otherwise they are going to look pretty stupid. Standard operating procedure for this franchise, and for once, I'm not being a wiseass. They let CBs walk, then use first-round picks to replace them. If they'd held onto Milloy for a couple more years, the pick they used on Whitner could have beefed up one of the lines instead. And speaking of the lines, they've been looking for a solution at DT ever since they decided a $12M contract was too much to pay for Pat Williams, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Skooby, of course, remains clueless about this, given his last comment. But he drives a 745iL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The thing that bothers me is that we created a hole with no guaranty that we are going to be able to fill it with someone who is going to be an upgrade. They should have waited until they had an upgrade. I would hate to have start a rookie or a re-tread at left guard. I just hope they are able upgrade the left guard position - otherwise they are going to look pretty stupid. There are two ways to look at the Dockery cut. There is your view (which is correct), or we could be proud of the front office for just "manning up" so to speak, and admitting they made a huge mistake. Still though, I don't think Dockery was completely useless, just way overpayed. So, if they saved 1.8 million by cutting him, can they get an adequate replacement for that paltry sum? I am not so upset that they haven't signed anyone yet. Let other teams overpay for Dockery types. But, I am a little perplexed that, other than Hangarten (sp?) they don't seem to have any immediate plans to bring anyone else in. Even if they couldn't get him, I would feel better if I had heard they had made a play for Birk, or another truly well established vet... oh well, nothing really surprises me anymore. I am not losing hope yet...not sure why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Last season, CIN dealt with DET to acquire Shaun Rogers. The deal fell through, and Rogers quickly was traded to CLE. The only explanation that was put out was ..."The trade with the Bengals was apparently nixed by the league because of language issues in the trade agreement."." http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3271113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 One thing: they HAD to get any trade for him done pretty much prior to the opening of Free Agency, as he was due a hefty roster bonus yesterday (5 mil or so) which we wouldn't have recouped in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 One thing: they HAD to get any trade for him done pretty much prior to the opening of Free Agency, as he was due a hefty roster bonus yesterday (5 mil or so) which we wouldn't have recouped in a trade. No No No. We saved a $1.75 million bonus (or so) that he was due shortly. And we will have $5.5 million (or so) in dead money this year for releasing him. That would have been his salary this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB of Long Island Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Yes...they can. Just another reason we are so irrelevant as an NFL franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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