Chilly Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Well, Vernon Davis must be the best TE in the NFL, then. The ability to catch a pass is part of athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The ability to catch a pass is part of athleticism. Coffman has better hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The ability to catch a pass is part of athleticism. I'd call that hand-eye coordination...and maybe hand size advantages. Mostly though, it is focus/concentration...which is not "athleticism", IMO. But, beyond that is drive, commitment, intelligence (helps in any position), attitude, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Gresham will be the far superior NFL TE to Coffman. He's more gifted athletically, has great hands and will fit the pro-style attack better than Coffman. That said, I don't think the Bills should use the 11th pick on him -- but if they did I wouldn't be crying (too loudly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 That said, I don't think the Bills should use the 11th pick on him -- but if they did I wouldn't be crying (too loudly). Same here. I'd rather see a pass-rusher in Round 1 (Everette Brown, Rey Maualuga, Aaron Maybin). But since the TE position has been horribly overlooked, I won't be upset with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Gresham will be the far superior NFL TE to Coffman. He's more gifted athletically, has great hands and will fit the pro-style attack better than Coffman. That said, I don't think the Bills should use the 11th pick on him -- but if they did I wouldn't be crying (too loudly). Nor would I. It's been a chronic passing league for some time. It's time to give picking a TE a shot. What's to lose after so many years of not playing in January? Nuthin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Nor would I. It's been a chronic passing league for some time. It's time to give picking a TE a shot. What's to lose after so many years of not playing in January? Nuthin! The only thing the Bills really have to lose from picking Jermaine Gresham at the #11 spot is Robert Royal. I can live with that. On the other hand, we see all of these complaints about taking a TE high and how its a 'luxury' pick, but here's the question I have: How the hell does anyone know that? The Bills haven't had a halfway decent TE on this roster in so long that we don't really know just how much impact a guy like Gresham or another top quality TE might have. It might make a *big* difference. The one guarantee I can make is that if the Bills never try, we'll never find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The only thing I have seen that makes me think Gresham is more athletic than Coffman would be his straight line speed. Other than that, Coffman looks every bit as good. Neither one blocks very much, but I remeber seeing Coffman block well last year when Mizzou ran more two TE sets. No one has mentioned Pettigrew however. He is not as dynamic a pass catcher, but a much better blocker. If you want a complete TE, it is him. Blocks with the best of them, without a let down in pass catching ability. But at the end of the day, Ill take any of the three in the 2nd round. I have to think one of them will last till the second round, if not at our pick, then trade up ala Poz to grab one of them. Also, does anyone feel that Chase Daniels would be a great pick in the late rounds? He has a great arm, can make reads, and is a great scrambler. The only knack on him is his height. Well, Drew Brees is short too, and he was just 16 yards short of throwing for the most yards in NFL history this past season. Take him in the 5th-7th, with no plan on playing him. If he developes you can use him as trade bait, like a Schaubb or Hasselback. If Trent tanks, maybe we will use him, its a low risk high reward scenario from my perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Gresham will be the far superior NFL TE to Coffman. He's more gifted athletically, has great hands and will fit the pro-style attack better than Coffman. That said, I don't think the Bills should use the 11th pick on him -- but if they did I wouldn't be crying (too loudly). He might turn out to be the better TE but I doubt he'll be far Superior to Coffman.....see Dustin Keller vs John Carlson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The only thing I have seen that makes me think Gresham is more athletic than Coffman would be his straight line speed. Other than that, Coffman looks every bit as good. Neither one blocks very much, but I remeber seeing Coffman block well last year when Mizzou ran more two TE sets. No one has mentioned Pettigrew however. He is not as dynamic a pass catcher, but a much better blocker. If you want a complete TE, it is him. Blocks with the best of them, without a let down in pass catching ability. But at the end of the day, Ill take any of the three in the 2nd round. I have to think one of them will last till the second round, if not at our pick, then trade up ala Poz to grab one of them. Also, does anyone feel that Chase Daniels would be a great pick in the late rounds? He has a great arm, can make reads, and is a great scrambler. The only knack on him is his height. Well, Drew Brees is short too, and he was just 16 yards short of throwing for the most yards in NFL history this past season. Take him in the 5th-7th, with no plan on playing him. If he developes you can use him as trade bait, like a Schaubb or Hasselback. If Trent tanks, maybe we will use him, its a low risk high reward scenario from my perspective. I'd take Chase Daniel late on Day 2 if he's there but he does not have a "great arm", its adequate and extremely accurate. Chase really hurt his stock down the stretch this year, he didn't play great but take it from somebody who has seen every start of his..........he will be on an NFL roster for a few years. He's a gamer. Also I agree with you about all three TEs whoever is still around in Rd 2 will be cool with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Guys on this board, Bag too much on Vernon Davis- Does he suck for a 6th overall pick, yes!!! but that's on SF's front office- Just like I don't blame Whitner I blame the Bills for taking him with the 8th overall- Davis is just 24 and a much better blocker than Royal, I'd have no problem giving a 3rd rounder for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 CHASE COFFMAN VS OKIE STATE Check out the opening catch in this vid.....its fuggin NASTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Guys on this board, Bag too much on Vernon Davis- Does he suck for a 6th overall pick, yes!!! but that's on SF's front office- Just like I don't blame Whitner I blame the Bills for taking him with the 8th overall- Davis is just 24 and a much better blocker than Royal, I'd have no problem giving a 3rd rounder for him. I think Davis may become a star, in this league. I'd love it if the Bills acquired him without giving up too much. I just used him as an example of a guy with the most talent who is not the best player at his position...at least not yet. And, I wasn't supporting Chase over Jermaine, either. Either would be fine, by me. There seem to be a few other excellent TE candidates, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm sold. Me Too!! Let's pick him up with our second round pick!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'd call that hand-eye coordination...and maybe hand size advantages. Mostly though, it is focus/concentration...which is not "athleticism", IMO. But, beyond that is drive, commitment, intelligence (helps in any position), attitude, etc. I'd say that if you can't catch a pass, you aint athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 St. Louie... I guess a great arm to me is adequate Arm strength and great accuracy, not a cannon arm with quesionable accuracy (see Losman). But yes, I agree with what you say. I also like how Coffman has made an impact every year he has been in college. Freshman All American, All American this year... He can make an impact right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conch Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Chase is gone on the first half of round two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Jermaine Gresham. Period. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDxbEktYlM&NR=1 This is just one video, but there's more if you want to search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think Davis may become a star, in this league. I'd love it if the Bills acquired him without giving up too much. I just used him as an example of a guy with the most talent who is not the best player at his position...at least not yet. And, I wasn't supporting Chase over Jermaine, either. Either would be fine, by me. There seem to be a few other excellent TE candidates, as well. Davis has a poor work ethic and runs poor routes...he needs lots of work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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