PromoTheRobot Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why would Mike Shannahan go for two at the end of the game against the Chargers? He probably wanted to just stick a fork in San Diego. But the 2-point conversion struck me as Shanny saying "okay, we got a break...but I'm giving you chance to take it away, San Diego." Am I just imagining things? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I hope he did not do that - the season can come down to one game, you cannot afford to give anything back...That would be irresponsible to his team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GASH STATION Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why would Mike Shannahan go for two at the end of the game against the Chargers? He probably wanted to just stick a fork in San Diego. But the 2-point conversion struck me as Shanny saying "okay, we got a break...but I'm giving you chance to take it away, San Diego." Am I just imagining things? PTR Hmm..you may be right..If you are, that was very sporting of him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why would Mike Shannahan go for two at the end of the game against the Chargers? He probably wanted to just stick a fork in San Diego. But the 2-point conversion struck me as Shanny saying "okay, we got a break...but I'm giving you chance to take it away, San Diego." Am I just imagining things? PTR Actually, your logic is along the right track. But you're essentially wrong. After the game, Shannahan likened the decision to splurging a $50 you found in a puddle that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 That's what I thought (i.e. Shanahan was giving the Chargers a chance to get redemption), until I read that the decision to go for 2 was made before the drive even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 PTR, I like you. But man, sometimes you are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Actually, your logic is along the right track. But you're essentially wrong. After the game, Shannahan likened the decision to splurging a $50 you found in a puddle that day. Yeah, but he also sort of mischievously pointed out, "we have all had what we thought were bad calls against us, you just have to deal with it as a coach and a player...there was another chance for the Chargers to win that game..." Shanahan is an interesting guy, not like a lot of NFL coaches. I took his comments to mean exactly what Promo was saying....if you think about it, there is almost no other reason to go for two in that situation. Of course, maybe Shanahan thought the Chargers were so bent out of shape, they wouldn't be focused enough to stop a two point play? Either way, one hell of a gamble...if they hadn't gotten it, I think Broncos fans would have plenty reason to be po'd at Shanny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Easterbrook at espn.com has some interesting info on two point conversions vs. OT. He writes that 2pt'ers are successful 55% of the time. Going to OT gives you a 50-50 shot. Odds are better with the 2 pt'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 zomg did the CIA kill Kennedy? Shanahan explained why he went for the 2 point conversion. He said he looked over at his defense and they were spent. He didn't want to give SD the ball back with his defense out of gas. Both offenses were running up and down the field all day why risk it when the better squad was already on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why would Mike Shannahan go for two at the end of the game against the Chargers? He probably wanted to just stick a fork in San Diego. But the 2-point conversion struck me as Shanny saying "okay, we got a break...but I'm giving you chance to take it away, San Diego." Am I just imagining things? PTR He called cuz he ha sa big set. Go for the win and not lose your chance to win a game on a coin flip!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bflojohn Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Repeat after me... there is NO charity in the National Football League! Oh, wait, Brett Favre did lay down for Michael Strahan on sack #22!! Exception to the rule, to be sure, but in a general sense, NONE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 His defense was tired, getting scored on, and if the Chargers got the ball in overtime, they would have won. Shanahan had more trust in his offense to get the 2 point conversion than his defense to stop the Chargers in OT, thus he called the 2 pointer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Everyone is saying the refs cost them the game, but Denver went on to move the ball right down their throats, score a touchdown, and then score a two point conversion on them. They had their opportunities. Their defense lost them the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Everyone is saying the refs cost them the game, but Denver went on to move the ball right down their throats, score a touchdown, and then score a two point conversion on them. They had their opportunities. Their defense lost them the game. Just to make trouble, I have to say that is also the proper response to the "tuck rule" game as well... The Raiders had plenty of chances to win after they got hosed. For the record, I typed that with clenched teeth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 zomg did the CIA kill Kennedy? Shanahan explained why he went for the 2 point conversion. He said he looked over at his defense and they were spent. He didn't want to give SD the ball back with his defense out of gas. Both offenses were running up and down the field all day why risk it when the better squad was already on the field. The macguffin killed Kenedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 If Shanahan went for the 2 in order to give San Diego a second chance, he ought to be fired on the spot. Coaches are paid to guide their teams toward wins no matter the circumstance. But in any case, that's not what happened. Like a previous poster and Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted, the chances of scoring on a 2-point conversion are roughly 50-50. The chances of winning in overtime (especially when the teams are so evenly matched) are 50-50. Shanahan probably figured, "Why leave this game up to a coin toss?" Going for 2 in this situation doesn't decrease your odds of winning, it just makes it SEEM worse if you fail. Congrats to Shanahan for having the cojones to do that. And furthermore, it's brave in another way. If you go for 2 and fail, the coach gets blamed. If you head to overtime and lose, the players get blamed. He was putting the onus on himself as head coach, something that many don't do because they are afraid of getting bashed in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 If Shanahan went for the 2 in order to give San Diego a second chance, he ought to be fired on the spot. Coaches are paid to guide their teams toward wins no matter the circumstance. But in any case, that's not what happened. Like a previous poster and Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted, the chances of scoring on a 2-point conversion are roughly 50-50. The chances of winning in overtime (especially when the teams are so evenly matched) are 50-50. Shanahan probably figured, "Why leave this game up to a coin toss?" Going for 2 in this situation doesn't decrease your odds of winning, it just makes it SEEM worse if you fail. Congrats to Shanahan for having the cojones to do that. And furthermore, it's brave in another way. If you go for 2 and fail, the coach gets blamed. If you head to overtime and lose, the players get blamed. He was putting the onus on himself as head coach, something that many don't do because they are afraid of getting bashed in the media. Shanahan's a HOF coach. In doing some wiki-research on the guy I came across this VERY interesting tidbit: Coincidentally, Shanahan has the best record for any active coach against Bill Belichick. Including the postseason win, Shanahan is 5–2 against Belichick's Patriots, the five wins coming in the last six meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Easterbrook at espn.com has some interesting info on two point conversions vs. OT. He writes that 2pt'ers are successful 55% of the time. Going to OT gives you a 50-50 shot. Odds are better with the 2 pt'er. Have you got a link? I can't find the article & I'm very interested to read about the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Going for 2 keeps your destiny in your hands rather than gambling on a coin flip. Given how easily both teams were scoring, I doubt that the loser of the coin flip would have been able to get a stop outside FG range. Denver had a chance to win it right there so, under those circumstances, I can see why they went for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Have you got a link?I can't find the article & I'm very interested to read about the stats. Here it is at the bottom of the third paragraph. Charges should have few complaints. They had two plays after the disputed play and lost them both and the game along with it. What - were they thinking it's okay, we'll win it in OT? No sympathy here, not with the luck we've had over the decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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