DC Tom Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 ok, I hear that, didn't know Not infrequently it costs more to convict, too. Varies state to state, but a capital punhsiment sentence frequently requires an even higher burden of proof and/or an additional sentencing hearing. I have no problem with the death penalty in principle - some people simply are too dangerous, damaged, or outright predatory to live in any society, period. (Jeffrey Dahmer springs most immediately to mind). But a fiscal argument doesn't wouldn't support it, unless you want to roll back the clock to the stereotypical (and somewhat fictional) Old West style "Hang 'Em High" justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 Maybe McCain should've just said "present" when asked that question... :censored: :censored: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 That's your point--that abortion is not that important an issue? But did you start this thread by saying McCain's abortion stance sealed your vote? Take a deep breath. Collect your thoughts. Try again. Mmm. Nice try, but how about reading the rest of the thread? It sealed it because it exposes one as a religious zealot bent on restricting freedoms in general. If you can't grow a pair and not pander to evangelicals, you can't be Prez as far as I'm concerned. It's not that abortion is a pressing issue, just that the stance reveals a certain psychotic state of mind that is highly dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Mmm. Nice try, but how about reading the rest of the thread? It sealed it because it exposes one as a religious zealot bent on restricting freedoms in general. If you can't grow a pair and not pander to evangelicals, you can't be Prez as far as I'm concerned. It's not that abortion is a pressing issue, just that the stance reveals a certain psychotic state of mind that is highly dangerous. So who the Republicans pander to is more dangerous than who the Dems pander to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 What about the baby's right to be born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Not infrequently it costs more to convict, too. Varies state to state, but a capital punhsiment sentence frequently requires an even higher burden of proof and/or an additional sentencing hearing. I have no problem with the death penalty in principle - some people simply are too dangerous, damaged, or outright predatory to live in any society, period. (Jeffrey Dahmer springs most immediately to mind). But a fiscal argument doesn't wouldn't support it, unless you want to roll back the clock to the stereotypical (and somewhat fictional) Old West style "Hang 'Em High" justice. yes, that totally makes sense. I was thinking of a 20 year life sentence costing a lot more than death row for 5 years, but sounds like it's all in the court costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Mmm. Nice try, but how about reading the rest of the thread? It sealed it because it exposes one as a religious zealot bent on restricting freedoms in general. If you can't grow a pair and not pander to evangelicals, you can't be Prez as far as I'm concerned. It's not that abortion is a pressing issue, just that the stance reveals a certain psychotic state of mind that is highly dangerous. Again, you're prioritizing that issue above others. Obama/Biden want to take your money if you're smart/productive enough to make more money. That's theft. They want to grow more government--which result in more debt and more taxes. That's also theft. For me, that's a bigger issue than abortion. McCain believes abortion is wrong--it's not pandering as much as stating his belief. He's going to state those beliefs because it's important to a certain voting block. Obama panders to the religious when he talks about his faith. By the way, there's a WSJ article today on how the Democratic Convention is highlighting religion and faith--trying to show how it's a God-fearing party. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1219621246...ays_us_page_one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 They better fear god because they are all going to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 They better fear god because they are all going to hell! Wacka, are you God? ... remember if you are not, "Thou Shall Not Judge" Only God can make that decision. I am not going to argue your previous point, I don't know, I am not God but I would tend to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 For OBAMA.... " At the moment of conception". He sold himself to the evangelicals like a two dollar whore. Add to that the fact that he wants a back door income tax increase on anyone who has an employer paid health insurance policy worth a damn, and it's Obama all the way. That whole meeting with "Pastor Rick " or whatever that idiot calls himself was a joke. Religious test for office, anyone? I liked Obama's answer to that ridiculous question, though. It was essentially like saying "It's out of my area" and is best left to the INDIVIDUAL to decide. Some people get uncomfortable with that though, they need a "guiding light" or something... Yeah, I'm sure you were really leaning McCain until that speech. And JK-molton was a big Bush supporter until Katrina. But I still don't understand your post since McCain and Obama were apparently not answering the same question (or Obama was ducking it). What was the context of the "at the moment of conception" comment? Did McCain say abortion should be outlawed? It's a basic fact of human physiology that life begins at conception. That is independent of whether or not you believe people should have the right to terminate their pregnancies. I for one don't want the government butting into such personal decisions. If you don't want your own kid, that's up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 They better fear god because they are all going to hell! if Hell is free of religious wackos, it sure will be a better place to pass eternity than Paradise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Wacka, are you God? ... remember if you are not, "Thou Shall Not Judge" Only God can make that decision. I am not going to argue your previous point, I don't know, I am not God but I would tend to agree with you. See the smiley?- I was joking. They did have a twister near Denver yesterday or this AM - I just saw it on the morning news. Maybe god is trying to tell them something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 See the smiley?- I was joking. They did have a twister near Denver yesterday or this AM - I just saw it on the morning news. Maybe god is trying to tell them something! Ok, got the smiley.... Honestly, not sure God cares that much about either convention, kinda like the football player pointing at the sky after a good catch. What is more important is what is in his or her soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 From my wife today: an e-mail from Ireland An email from Ireland to all of their brethren in the States...a point to ponder despite your political affiliation: 'We, in Ireland , can't figure out why you people are even bothering to hold an election in the United States On one side, you had a pants wearing female lawyer, married to another lawyer who can't seem to keep his pants on, who just lost a long and heated primary against a lawyer, who goes to the wrong church, who is married to yet another lawyer, who doesn't even like the country her husband wants to run ! Now...On the other side, you have a nice old war hero whose name starts with the appropriate 'Mc' terminology, married to a good looking younger woman who owns a beer distributorship !! What in God's name are ya lads thinkin over in the colonies ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 From my wife today: an e-mail from Ireland An email from Ireland to all of their brethren in the States...a point to ponder despite your political affiliation: 'We, in Ireland , can't figure out why you people are even bothering to hold an election in the United States On one side, you had a pants wearing female lawyer, married to another lawyer who can't seem to keep his pants on, who just lost a long and heated primary against a lawyer, who goes to the wrong church, who is married to yet another lawyer, who doesn't even like the country her husband wants to run ! Now...On the other side, you have a nice old war hero whose name starts with the appropriate 'Mc' terminology, married to a good looking younger woman who owns a beer distributorship !! What in God's name are ya lads thinkin over in the colonies ! great analogy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 They better fear god because they are all going to hell! There is no such thing as hell, it's a metaphor for the center of the earth. Hell is not even recognized by all religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 There is no such thing as hell, it's a metaphor for the center of the earth. Hell is not even recognized by all religions. Lighten up Francis. See post #33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 See the smiley?- I was joking. They did have a twister near Denver yesterday or this AM - I just saw it on the morning news. Maybe god is trying to tell them something! And there's a hurricane pathing towards New Orleans on the eve of the Republican convention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I saw where it was yesterday. It's over Haiti and was breaking up. It could go anywhere, even up FL again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I saw where it was yesterday. It's over Haiti and was breaking up. It could go anywhere, even up FL again. After all the critics made to the Bush administration after Katrina, it'd be ironic to see the rep convention affected by a new hurricane on NO.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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