zow2 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Listening to a DC area sports talk show yesterday, the radio heads all agreed that Greggo would be "one and done" in Washington much like Marvin Lewis was under Spurrier. Translation: GW will be a head coach somewhere next year. They said other NFL GM's have been so impressed with what GW has done with a very marginal defense (Lavar and Barrow have been hurt all year.....and defensive line was supposed to be weak). Personally, I think he will be scrutinized much more than Marvin Lewis since he already failed once as a head coach. Also, the 'Skins have faced some weak offenses against Tampa, Chicago, Balt, Cleve, Dallas, Giants. No doubt GW has done a good job and you can tell he's learned alot from his days in Buffalo. Let's see what he does vs. St.Louis and Philly twice in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 or he learned his lesson during his internship with the bills and will be a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 maybe he will go to Miami!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Some guys are just made to be coordinators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 maybe he will go to Miami!! 75727[/snapback] I would fully support GW as the next HC in miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Speaking of GW and his coaching peers, has anyone noticed that a little of the luster has come quickly off of the two "great" coaches that we "should have hired" (Marvin Lewis and John Fox) ? Players win games. Coaches help, but players win games. (unless you are New England :-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Speaking of GW and his coaching peers, has anyone noticed that a little of the luster has come quickly off of the two "great" coaches that we "should have hired" (Marvin Lewis and John Fox) ? Players win games. Coaches help, but players win games. (unless you are New England :-) ) 75769[/snapback] I never thought Lewis was that great to begin with, but John Fox? Their 2 best players on offense have been hurt all year, and now both of their stud DT's are out. GW couldn't do any better when Henry, Moulds and the rest of his team was healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Listening to a DC area sports talk show yesterday, the radio heads all agreed that Greggo would be "one and done" in Washington much like Marvin Lewis was under Spurrier. Translation: GW will be a head coach somewhere next year. They said other NFL GM's have been so impressed with what GW has done with a very marginal defense (Lavar and Barrow have been hurt all year.....and defensive line was supposed to be weak). Personally, I think he will be scrutinized much more than Marvin Lewis since he already failed once as a head coach. Also, the 'Skins have faced some weak offenses against Tampa, Chicago, Balt, Cleve, Dallas, Giants. No doubt GW has done a good job and you can tell he's learned alot from his days in Buffalo. Let's see what he does vs. St.Louis and Philly twice in the coming weeks. 75724[/snapback] I can tell you from the games I have watched the 'Skins play that their defense isn't very impressive. They make the same mistakes we did when Greg was here - especially when the game is on the line. The fact is, they haven't played an offensive juggernaut yet this season and are a 2-4 football team. Anybody who hires him to be their head coach is going to get the same guy and the same bad decisions when it matters most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 One complaint from DC area fans is...get this....That their defense does not get enough takeaways! none have been returned for TD's either. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 One complaint from DC area fans is...get this....That their defense does not get enough takeaways! none have been returned for TD's either. Sound familiar? 75801[/snapback] They have 8 through 6 games and are a minus 5 in the category. Some of that could be attributed to lacking playmakers. It could merely be a coincidence but after watching Greggo for 3 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I never thought Lewis was that great to begin with, but John Fox? Their 2 best players on offense have been hurt all year, and now both of their stud DT's are out. GW couldn't do any better when Henry, Moulds and the rest of his team was healthy. 75793[/snapback] Oh I agree with you. My point was less of a defense of GW than it was about the decline in hype with those two coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 No doubt GW is a great defensive coach and he gets the respect of his players. He showed that here. His biggest problems as HC were: (1) Selection of his coaching staff; and (2) Stupid game-day management (bad challenge calls; failure to make gameday adjustments; bad judgment calls). If he couldn't overcome these problems in 3 years in Buffalo (esp. game-day management issues), then I don't see him drastically improving in his next HC stint. Of course, Bill Belichek was a loser in Cleveland and he managed to do a "little" better in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 They have 8 through 6 games and are a minus 5 in the category. Some of that could be attributed to lacking playmakers. It could merely be a coincidence but after watching Greggo for 3 years... 75803[/snapback] yeah, the minus 5 is magnified because the Redskins opponents have returned 4 or 5 turnovers for TD's. The fans are wondering why the 'Skins can't do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Keeping in mind that the Redskins traded away Champ Bailey, I think GW will land in Cleveland next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 No doubt GW is a great defensive coach and he gets the respect of his players. He showed that here. His biggest problems as HC were: (1) Selection of his coaching staff; and (2) Stupid game-day management (bad challenge calls; failure to make gameday adjustments; bad judgment calls). If he couldn't overcome these problems in 3 years in Buffalo (esp. game-day management issues), then I don't see him drastically improving in his next HC stint. Of course, Bill Belichek was a loser in Cleveland and he managed to do a "little" better in New England. 75819[/snapback] I agree with most of that, but I've never really understood the "Belichek stunk in Cleveland" stuff. I know they had some rough years in the early 90's, but that was a different era before FA & salary cap. He did go 11-5 in 1994, and in 95 they were a lame duck franchise headed to Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Oh I agree with you. My point was less of a defense of GW than it was about the decline in hype with those two coaches. 75804[/snapback] Gotcha....yeh, the media wavers so much based on recent history it's ridiculous. Tampa could go 1-15 this year, I still think Gruden is a great coach. That 2002 offense was worse on paper than the 2000 Ravens. Lousy OL, no running game, no speed, and Brad Johnson, are you kidding me? And they averaged like 30+ points in the playoffs, unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven in MD Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 DC fans are just too funny...they love GW as the DC, but would they want him as the future replacement of Gibbs? NOPE! More importantly, he helps to have Joe Gibbs as the HC, makes up for many of GW inadequacies. He looked great under Fisher too.....he is just a good coordinator...nothing more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 If he couldn't overcome these problems in 3 years in Buffalo (esp. game-day management issues), then I don't see him drastically improving in his next HC stint. Especially under the tutelage of a head coach who is still trying to figure out how to manage the clock. In fairness, GW was half the coach he could be based on the fact that he refused to get involved with his OC at the time. Gilbride...and his refusal to change Gilbride...ruined him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 No doubt GW is a great defensive coach and he gets the respect of his players. He showed that here. His biggest problems as HC were: (1) Selection of his coaching staff; and (2) Stupid game-day management (bad challenge calls; failure to make gameday adjustments; bad judgment calls). If he couldn't overcome these problems in 3 years in Buffalo (esp. game-day management issues), then I don't see him drastically improving in his next HC stint. Of course, Bill Belichek was a loser in Cleveland and he managed to do a "little" better in New England. 75819[/snapback] Also, don't forget Shanahan was awful with the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I agree with most of that, but I've never really understood the "Belichek stunk in Cleveland" stuff. I know they had some rough years in the early 90's, but that was a different era before FA & salary cap. He did go 11-5 in 1994, and in 95 they were a lame duck franchise headed to Baltimore. 75829[/snapback] I think BBs rep was also hurt by his flip-flop on the NYJ HC job when he said he woukd take it and soon after said he would not. Both the Cleveland failure and this episode were part of the learning process for BB which helped make him the great HC he is today. Even still, though he is a great HC, everyone needs luck to win. The gift of the refs cal in the snow on Brady's fumble/pass, and his players stepping up after BB mismanaged the Milloy situation last year and the TEAM suffered some grievous injuries were huge factors in his success along with him being a great HC and having Scott Pioli's help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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