Everyone says how it takes years to evaluate a draft

[JasoninMT]

Here are the Bills Drafts since '00...

 

Rank 'em (in order of best to worst)... Then Rate 'em.

 

Imho, if a player is still in the league it was a good draft, not the players fault necessarilly the Bills decided not to pay 'em or whatever...

 

# is the pick order in terms of the bills

R is the Round they were picked

P is the pick in the round

O is the Overall Pick

 

2007

# R P O Name Position College

1 1 12 12 Marshawn Lynch RB California

2 2 2 34 Paul Posluszny LB Penn State

3 3 29 92 Trent Edwards QB Stanford

4 4 12 111 Dwayne Wright RB Fresno State

5 6 10 184 John Wendling DB Wyoming

6 7 12 222 Derek Schouman RB Boise State

7 7 29 239 C.J. Ah You DE Oklahoma

2006

1 1 8 8 Donte Whitner DB Ohio State

2 1 26 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State

3 3 6 70 Ashton Youboty DB Ohio State

4 4 8 105 Ko Simpson DB South Carolina

5 5 1 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State

6 5 10 143 Brad Butler T Virginia

7 6 9 178 Keith Ellison LB Oregon State

8 7 8 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico

9 7 40 248 Aaron Merz G California

2005

1 2 23 55 Roscoe Parrish WR Miami (FL)

2 3 22 86 Kevin Everett TE Miami (FL)

3 4 21 122 Duke Preston C Illinois

4 5 20 156 Eric King DB Wake Forest

5 6 23 197 Justin Geisinger G Vanderbilt

6 7 22 236 Lionel Gates RB Louisville

2004

1 1 13 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin

2 1 22 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane

3 3 11 74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State

4 4 13 109 Tim Euhus TE Oregon State

5 7 6 207 Dylan McFarland T Montana

6 7 13 214 Jonathan Smith RB Georgia Tech

2003

1 1 23 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami (FL)

2 2 16 48 Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska

3 3 30 94 Angelo Crowell LB Virginia

4 4 14 111 Terrence McGee DB Northwestern State (LA)

5 4 30 127 Sam Aiken WR North Carolina

6 5 16 151 Ben Sobieski G Iowa

7 6 14 187 Lauvale Sape DT Utah

8 7 14 228 Mario Haggan LB Mississippi State

2002

1 1 4 4 Mike Williams T Texas

2 2 4 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State

3 2 29 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young

4 3 32 97 Coy Wire DB Stanford

5 5 4 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado

6 6 4 176 Kevin Thomas DB UNLV

7 7 4 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn

8 7 39 250 Rodney Wright WR Fresno State

9 7 41 252 Jarrett Ferguson RB Virginia Tech

10 7 49 260 Dominique Stevenson LB Tennessee

2001

1 1 21 21 Nate Clements DB Ohio State

2 2 15 46 Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian

3 2 27 58 Travis Henry RB Tennessee

4 3 14 76 Ron Edwards DT Texas A&M

5 3 33 95 Jonas Jennings T Georgia

6 4 15 110 Brandon Spoon LB North Carolina

7 5 13 144 Marques Sullivan T Illinois

8 6 15 178 Tony Driver DB Notre Dame

9 6 32 195 Dan O'Leary TE Notre Dame

10 6 33 196 Jimmy Williams DB Vanderbilt

11 7 14 214 Reggie Germany WR Ohio State

12 7 38 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Hinds J.C. (MI)

2000

1 1 26 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

2 2 27 58 Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech

3 3 27 89 Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech

4 4 27 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee State

5 5 27 156 Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech

6 6 28 194 Leif Larsen DE Texas-El Paso

7 7 27 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo

8 7 45 251 DaShon Polk LB Arizona

 

2007 - Lynch, Poz (who is a ? given IR), and Edwards + some ST help... A- (and could go higher)

2003 - McGee, Kelsay and Crowell + McGahee wasn't a bust... A-

2001 - Schobel, Henry, Clements, and Jennings (albeit 3 aren't with the Bills - but were good when here) A-

2006 - Whitner, Simpson, Butler... an OK draft with some other backups and ST players makes it a B-

2004 - Evans & Losman... I think it's a B- right now - we'll see what happens this year...

2005 - Everett & Parrish... Everett, while a great story, was never an impact. Parrish is the bomb, C+

2002 - Mike Williams... Need I say more? D- (Reed is still here at least for now)

2000 - the worst draft by the bills, possibly ever... F

 

My .02 anyways... what's your opinion?

[drnykterstein]

Man Marv had two really good drafts while he was here.

[Rubes]

Oh, that 2000 draft. Classic!

[eball]

Chronologically:

 

Top 4: 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007

Bottom 4: 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005.

 

My God, 2000 was awful. RIP John, but you really stuck it to Ralph with that one.

[Greybeard]

Chronologically:

 

Top 4: 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007

Bottom 4: 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005.

 

My God, 2000 was awful. RIP John, but you really stuck it to Ralph with that one.

 

You have to wonder if the guys around Butler agreed with him or thought something was off.

[ndirish1978]

2001 produced 4 pro bowlers, you gotta give that and A+ even if the FO let Jennings and Clements leave

[eball]

You have to wonder if the guys around Butler agreed with him or thought something was off.

Beats me, but looking back it's so obvious that draft just killed the Bills, who were coming off such a promising 1999 season in which they were a blown lateral away from making a big run. They essentially took a year off, everybody was canned, and the rest is history.

[bills_fan]

2001 and 2003, especially, were excellent drafts.

 

2002, 2004 and especially 2005 were simply awful. Gotta wonder if Donanoe lost his marbles by 05.

 

I think its too soon to properly judge 2006 and 2007. After this year, 2006 is fair game.

[drnykterstein]

Oh, that 2000 draft. Classic!

 

Best pick of that class .. Dashaun Polk .. Lol

[keepthefaith]

Here are the Bills Drafts since '00...

 

Rank 'em (in order of best to worst)... Then Rate 'em.

 

Imho, if a player is still in the league it was a good draft, not the players fault necessarilly the Bills decided not to pay 'em or whatever...

 

# is the pick order in terms of the bills

R is the Round they were picked

P is the pick in the round

O is the Overall Pick

 

2007

# R P O Name Position College

1 1 12 12 Marshawn Lynch RB California

2 2 2 34 Paul Posluszny LB Penn State

3 3 29 92 Trent Edwards QB Stanford

4 4 12 111 Dwayne Wright RB Fresno State

5 6 10 184 John Wendling DB Wyoming

6 7 12 222 Derek Schouman RB Boise State

7 7 29 239 C.J. Ah You DE Oklahoma

2006

1 1 8 8 Donte Whitner DB Ohio State

2 1 26 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State

3 3 6 70 Ashton Youboty DB Ohio State

4 4 8 105 Ko Simpson DB South Carolina

5 5 1 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State

6 5 10 143 Brad Butler T Virginia

7 6 9 178 Keith Ellison LB Oregon State

8 7 8 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico

9 7 40 248 Aaron Merz G California

2005

1 2 23 55 Roscoe Parrish WR Miami (FL)

2 3 22 86 Kevin Everett TE Miami (FL)

3 4 21 122 Duke Preston C Illinois

4 5 20 156 Eric King DB Wake Forest

5 6 23 197 Justin Geisinger G Vanderbilt

6 7 22 236 Lionel Gates RB Louisville

2004

1 1 13 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin

2 1 22 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane

3 3 11 74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State

4 4 13 109 Tim Euhus TE Oregon State

5 7 6 207 Dylan McFarland T Montana

6 7 13 214 Jonathan Smith RB Georgia Tech

2003

1 1 23 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami (FL)

2 2 16 48 Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska

3 3 30 94 Angelo Crowell LB Virginia

4 4 14 111 Terrence McGee DB Northwestern State (LA)

5 4 30 127 Sam Aiken WR North Carolina

6 5 16 151 Ben Sobieski G Iowa

7 6 14 187 Lauvale Sape DT Utah

8 7 14 228 Mario Haggan LB Mississippi State

2002

1 1 4 4 Mike Williams T Texas

2 2 4 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State

3 2 29 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young

4 3 32 97 Coy Wire DB Stanford

5 5 4 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado

6 6 4 176 Kevin Thomas DB UNLV

7 7 4 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn

8 7 39 250 Rodney Wright WR Fresno State

9 7 41 252 Jarrett Ferguson RB Virginia Tech

10 7 49 260 Dominique Stevenson LB Tennessee

2001

1 1 21 21 Nate Clements DB Ohio State

2 2 15 46 Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian

3 2 27 58 Travis Henry RB Tennessee

4 3 14 76 Ron Edwards DT Texas A&M

5 3 33 95 Jonas Jennings T Georgia

6 4 15 110 Brandon Spoon LB North Carolina

7 5 13 144 Marques Sullivan T Illinois

8 6 15 178 Tony Driver DB Notre Dame

9 6 32 195 Dan O'Leary TE Notre Dame

10 6 33 196 Jimmy Williams DB Vanderbilt

11 7 14 214 Reggie Germany WR Ohio State

12 7 38 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Hinds J.C. (MI)

2000

1 1 26 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State

2 2 27 58 Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech

3 3 27 89 Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech

4 4 27 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee State

5 5 27 156 Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech

6 6 28 194 Leif Larsen DE Texas-El Paso

7 7 27 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo

8 7 45 251 DaShon Polk LB Arizona

 

2007 - Lynch, Poz (who is a ? given IR), and Edwards + some ST help... A- (and could go higher)

2003 - McGee, Kelsay and Crowell + McGahee wasn't a bust... A-

2001 - Schobel, Henry, Clements, and Jennings (albeit 3 aren't with the Bills - but were good when here) A-

2006 - Whitner, Simpson, Butler... an OK draft with some other backups and ST players makes it a B-

2004 - Evans & Losman... I think it's a B- right now - we'll see what happens this year...

2005 - Everett & Parrish... Everett, while a great story, was never an impact. Parrish is the bomb, C+

2002 - Mike Williams... Need I say more? D- (Reed is still here at least for now)

2000 - the worst draft by the bills, possibly ever... F

 

My .02 anyways... what's your opinion?

 

Best topic of the month!

 

2007, too soon to tell but could turn out to be very good.

2006, A

2005, D

2004, C+

2003, A-

2002, C

2001, A

2000, Oh my god - F

[Pete]

That 2000 draft is disgusting. Not a very strong draft class that year though. Check out rounds 2-4-

 

 

Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓

32 Cleveland Browns Dennis Northcutt Wide Receiver Arizona

33 New Orleans Saints Darren Howard Defensive End Kansas State

34 Cincinnati Bengals Mark Roman Safety LSU

35 San Francisco 49ers John Engelberger Defensive End Virginia Tech

36 Philadelphia Eagles Todd Pinkston Wide Receiver Southern Miss

37 Atlanta Falcons Travis Claridge Guard USC

38 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith Tackle Arizona State

39 Chicago Bears Mike Brown Strong Safety Nebraska

40 Denver Broncos Ian Gold Linebacker Michigan

41 Arizona Cardinals Raynoch Thompson Linebacker Tennessee

42 New York Giants Cornelius Griffin Defensive Tackle Alabama

43 San Diego Chargers Rogers Beckett Strong Safety Marshall

44 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton Tackle Tennessee

45 Denver Broncos (from Baltimore) Kenoy Kennedy Strong Safety Arkansas

46 New England Patriots Adrian Klemm Tackle Hawaii

47 Oakland Raiders Jerry Porter Wide Receiver West Virginia

48 San Francisco 49ers (from New York Jets) Jason Webster Cornerback Texas A&M

49 Dallas Cowboys Dwayne Goodrich Cornerback Tennessee

50 Detroit Lions Barrett Green Linebacker West Virginia

51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Carolina) [3] Cosey Coleman Guard Tennessee

52 Seattle Seahawks Ike Charlton Cornerback Virginia Tech

53 Miami Dolphins Todd Wade Tackle Mississippi

54 Kansas City Chiefs William Bartee Cornerback Oklahoma

55 Minnesota Vikings Fred Robbins Defensive Tackle Wake Forest

56 Minnesota Vikings (from Washington) Michael Boireau Defensive End Miami

57 Carolina Panthers (from Tampa Bay) [3] Deon Grant Free Safety Tennessee

58 Buffalo Bills Travares Tillman Free Safety Georgia Tech

59 Indianapolis Colts Marcus Washington Linebacker Auburn

60 Jacksonville Jaguars Brad Meester Center UNI

61 Philadelphia Eagles (from Tennessee) [4] Bobbie Williams Guard Arkansas

62 St. Louis Rams Jacoby Shepherd Cornerback Oklahoma State

 

[edit] Round three

Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓

63 Cleveland Browns Travis Prentice Running Back Miami (Ohio)

64 Washington Redskins (from New Orleans) Lloyd Harrison Cornerback North Carolina State

65 San Francisco 49ers Giovanni Carmazzi Quarterback Hofstra

66 Cincinnati Bengals Ron Dugans Wide Receiver Florida State University

67 Atlanta Falcons Mark Simoneau Outside Linebacker Kansas State University

68 Tennessee Titans (from Philadelphia) [4] Erron Kinney Tight End University of Florida

69 Chicago Bears Dez White Wide Receiver Georgia Tech

70 Denver Broncos Chris Cole Wide Receiver Texas A&M

71 Arizona Cardinals Darwin Walker Defensive Tackle University of Tennessee

72 Pittsburgh Steelers Kendrick Clancy Defensive Tackle University of Mississippi

73 New York Giants Ron Dixon Wide Receiver Lambuth University

74 Green Bay Packers Steve Warren Offensive Tackle University of Nebraska

75 Baltimore Ravens Chris Redman Quarterback University of Louisville

76 New England Patriots J.R. Redmond Fullback Arizona State University

77 Pittsburgh Steelers (from Oakland) Hank Poteat Cornerback University of Pittsburgh

78 New York Jets Laveranues Coles Wide Receiver Florida State University

79 Cleveland Browns JaJuan Dawson Wide Receiver Tulane

80 Seattle Seahawks (from Dallas) Darrell Jackson Wide Receiver University of Florida

81 Detroit Lions Reuben Droughns Running Back University of Oregon

82 Carolina Panthers Leander Jordan Tackle Indiana University of Pennsylvania

83 San Diego Chargers Damion McIntosh Tackle Kansas State University

84 Miami Dolphins Ben Kelly Cornerback University of Colorado

85 Kansas City Chiefs Greg Wesley Free Safety Arkansas-Pine Bluff

86 San Francisco 49ers (from Seattle) [5] Jeff Ulbrich Inside Linebacker University of Hawaii

87 Chicago Bears (from Washington) Dustin Lyman Tight End Wake Forest

88 Minnesota Vikings Doug Chapman Running Back Marshall University

89 Buffalo Bills Corey Moore Outside Linebacker Virginia Tech

90 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Nate Webster Linebacker University of Miami

91 Indianapolis Colts David Macklin Cornerback Penn State University

92 Jacksonville Jaguars T.J. Slaughter Outside Linebacker Southern Miss

93 Tennessee Titans Byron Frisch Defensive End Brigham Young University

94 St. Louis Rams John St. Clair Tackle Virginia

 

[edit] Round four

Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓

95 Cleveland Browns Lewis Sanders Cornerback Maryland

96 New Orleans Saints Terrelle Smith Fullback Arizona State

97 Cincinnati Bengals Curtis Keaton Running back James Madison

98 Green Bay Packers (from San Francisco) [6] Na'il Diggs Linebacker Ohio State

99 Philadelphia Eagles Gari Scott Wide Receiver Michigan State

100 Atlanta Falcons Michael Thompson Tackle Tennessee State

101 Denver Broncos Jerry Johnson Defensive Tackle Florida State

102 Arizona Cardinals David Barrett Cornerback Arkansas

103 Pittsburgh Steelers Danny Farmer Wide Receiver UCLA

104 St. Louis Rams (from Chicago) [7] Kaulana Noa Guard Hawaii

105 New York Giants Brandon Short Linebacker Penn State

106 Minnesota Vikings (from Baltimore) Antonio Wilson Linebacker Texas A&M

107 Oakland Raiders Junior Ioane Defensive End Arizona State

108 San Francisco 49ers (from Green Bay) [6] John Keith Safety Furman

109 Dallas Cowboys Kareem Larrimore Cornerback West Texas A&M

110 Cleveland Browns Aaron Shea Tight End Michigan

111 San Diego Chargers (from Philadelphia) [8] Trevor Gaylor Wide Receiver Miami(Ohio)

112 Denver Broncos (from Carolina) Cooper Carlisle Guard Florida

113 San Diego Chargers (from Detroit through Philadelphia) [9] Leonardo Carson Defensive Tackle Auburn

114 Green Bay Pakers Anthony Lucas Wide Receiver Arkansas

115 Kansas City Chiefs Frank Moreau Running Back Louisville

116 Seattle Seahawks Marcus Bell Linebacker Arizona

117 Miami Dolphins Deon Dyer Fullback North Carolina

118 Minnesota Vikings Tyrone Carter Safety Minnesota

119 Seattle Seahawks (from San Francisco) [5] Isaiah Kacyvenski Linebacker Harvard

120 Carolina Panthers (from Tampa Bay) [3] Alvin McKinley Defensive End Mississippi State

121 Buffalo Bills Avion Black Wide Receiver Tennessee State

122 Indianapolis Colts Josh Williams Defensive Tackle Michigan

123 Jacksonville Jaguars Joe Chustz Tackle Louisiana Tech

124 Tennessee Titans Bobby Myers Safety Wisconsin

125 Chicago Bears (from St. Louis Rams) [7] Reggie Austin Cornerback Wake Forest

126 Green Bay Packers Gary Berry Safety Ohio State

127 New England Patriots Greg Randall Tackle Michigan State

128 Tennessee Titans Peter Sirmon Linebacker Oregon

129 Washington Redskins Michael Moore Guard Troy

 

[edit] Round five

[lets_go_bills]

That 03' draft was tops for me; Willis is good (not as good as he thinks though), Kelsay starts, Crowell starts, and McGee starts, while Aiken and Haggan were valuable ST contributors.

 

Mind you, the 07' draft may end up being king sooner rather than later because...

 

Lynch is awesome and our featire back.

Posluszny will be a star and is a tackling machine.

Edwards looks like he could be the QB of the future for us.

And Wendling is a gunner who is the best punt-cover man in the biz.