we sent you the flame please do whatever you want with it!

[olivier in france]

I'm not always proud of my fellow frenchmen (in fact i'm almost NEVER proud of them!) but i'm quite happy we have been at least as good as the english to give a hard time to the "chinese flame" visiting us today. Now it's coming to you ... I know you can do as well as us! Especially in SF!!

[blzrul]

I wonder if they'll run it through Tianenmen (sp) Square in NY (you know they renamed the street on the west side on which the Chinese embassy is located ... a really crummy location).

[GG]

I'm not always proud of my fellow frenchmen (in fact i'm almost NEVER proud of them!) but i'm quite happy we have been at least as good as the english to give a hard time to the "chinese flame" visiting us today. Now it's coming to you ... I know you can do as well as us! Especially in SF!!

 

Are you trying to set up a joke by putting flame & SF in the same sentence?

[Wacka]

No he isn't. It's coming to SF on Wednesday and the idiotic Mayor and city government published the complete route. This insures they will need 2-3X the cops usually necessary because every kook in northern CA will be there.

I have to work in SF Wednesdy afternoon, but at the other side of town from where the torch will be, thank god.

 

I got to see it in 1996 when it came through the Stanford campus, where I worked at the time.

[/dev/null]

I'm not always proud of my fellow frenchmen (in fact i'm almost NEVER proud of them!) but i'm quite happy we have been at least as good as the english to give a hard time to the "chinese flame" visiting us today. Now it's coming to you ... I know you can do as well as us! Especially in SF!!

 

There's already plenty of flamers in SF. Chinese flamers, Japanese flamers, English flamers, Mexican flamers, Russian flamers, etc...

 

[Lori]

I wonder if they'll run it through Tianenmen (sp) Square in NY (you know they renamed the street on the west side on which the Chinese embassy is located ... a really crummy location).

No. San Fran is the only U.S. site. And if I were on that side of the country... well, the picture on the front of the Reporters Sans Frontières website sums up my feelings on the subject.

[blzrul]

No he isn't. It's coming to SF on Wednesday and the idiotic Mayor and city government published the complete route. This insures they will need 2-3X the cops usually necessary because every kook in northern CA will be there.

I have to work in SF Wednesdy afternoon, but at the other side of town from where the torch will be, thank god.

 

I got to see it in 1996 when it came through the Stanford campus, where I worked at the time.

And if they hadn't published the route, you might have missed it. Too bad that they can't only publish the route for people like you and people you think should be allowed to see it. Unfortunately instead of being secretive it's out there - so it has to be dealt with.

 

I recall the US boycotting the Olympics one year...back before we were chickenshits.

[erynthered]

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I recall the US boycotting the Olympics one year...back before we were chickenshits.

 

Almost 30 years ago. You probably wore a small, then.

 

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[Chef Jim]

And if they hadn't published the route, you might have missed it. Too bad that they can't only publish the route for people like you and people you think should be allowed to see it. Unfortunately instead of being secretive it's out there - so it has to be dealt with.

 

I recall the US boycotting the Olympics one year...back before we were chickenshits.

 

So boycotting a sporting event gives us balls?

[SilverNRed]

And if they hadn't published the route, you might have missed it. Too bad that they can't only publish the route for people like you and people you think should be allowed to see it. Unfortunately instead of being secretive it's out there - so it has to be dealt with.

 

I recall the US boycotting the Olympics one year...back before we were chickenshits.

Because boycotting the Olympics made a huge difference in the world.

 

The only thing boycotting the Olympics achieves is !@#$ing over some athletes who've been training their whole life.

[OCinBuffalo]

I'm not always proud of my fellow frenchmen (in fact i'm almost NEVER proud of them!) but i'm quite happy we have been at least as good as the english to give a hard time to the "chinese flame" visiting us today. Now it's coming to you ... I know you can do as well as us! Especially in SF!!

Why in God's name do you think the citizens of the People's Republic of San Francisco are going to give the People's Republic of China's flame a hard time? Those Communist wanna-bes giving real Communists a hard time? Can't wait for the rationalizations of why human rights abuses are ok as long as socialists are doing them, since they are smarter than the rest of us anyway. In fact, I don't expect the people of SF to do much at all....and that's a shame. But who knows, maybe this time they will be able to see past their ideology far enough not to put themselves in another blatant state of hypocrisy. There's always hope...

[Alaska Darin]

Yeah, let's all pretend we're suprised that a government entity abuses its power when ALL of it is turned over to them. Welcome to the reality of your Utopia, liberals. Now protest away.

[Booster4324]

Yeah, let's all pretend we're suprised that a government entity abuses its power when ALL of it is turned over to them. Welcome to the reality of your Utopia, liberals. Now protest away.

 

You do realize that conservatives have been in control for a bit, right?

[Just Jack]

I got to see it in 1996 when it came through the Stanford campus, where I worked at the time.

I got to see it, and actually hold one of the torches, when it came through Syracuse for the 2002 Winter Games. They did a big rally downtown when it arrived which I went to, and since they were staying overnight, they said where to go to see it off in the morning. Next morning, I went over, since it was a few blocks from where I worked. Not alot of people showed up, maybe 12-15 in all. The runner that was going to lead off that morning was waiting with his torch, and some people were taking pictures of it. He noticed them, and asked if they wanted to hold it. A line immediately formed, and luckily I'd brought my camera so I managed to get my picture holding the torch.

[Chef Jim]

You do realize that conservatives have been in control for a bit, right?

 

Yeah, I think he knows.

[justnzane]

I got to see it, and actually hold one of the torches, when it came through Syracuse for the 2002 Winter Games. They did a big rally downtown when it arrived which I went to, and since they were staying overnight, they said where to go to see it off in the morning. Next morning, I went over, since it was a few blocks from where I worked. Not alot of people showed up, maybe 12-15 in all. The runner that was going to lead off that morning was waiting with his torch, and some people were taking pictures of it. He noticed them, and asked if they wanted to hold it. A line immediately formed, and luckily I'd brought my camera so I managed to get my picture holding the torch.

I tried to click on attachment and i get the "you do not have permission to access it"

[olivier in france]

Why in God's name do you think the citizens of the People's Republic of San Francisco are going to give the People's Republic of China's flame a hard time? Those Communist wanna-bes giving real Communists a hard time? Can't wait for the rationalizations of why human rights abuses are ok as long as socialists are doing them, since they are smarter than the rest of us anyway. In fact, I don't expect the people of SF to do much at all....and that's a shame. But who knows, maybe this time they will be able to see past their ideology far enough not to put themselves in another blatant state of hypocrisy. There's always hope...

[olivier in france]

So boycotting a sporting event gives us balls?

 

 

that's some new slang for a big belly full of hamburgers maybe....

[Wacka]

SF is full of idiots with no jobs or big trust funds from mummy and daddy. There will be all the weirdos out Wednesday.

Hell when they have anti-war protests even teh free mumia people come out. They were going to publish the route Tuesday, but the protest groups pressured the idiot mayor to put it out last week. Gives them a lot more time to set up theier idiotic protest which do nothing but get people very mad at their cause because they F up the traffic even more, which is pretty F'd up on a normal day.

[Pete]

I'm not always proud of my fellow frenchmen (in fact i'm almost NEVER proud of them!) but i'm quite happy we have been at least as good as the english to give a hard time to the "chinese flame" visiting us today. Now it's coming to you ... I know you can do as well as us! Especially in SF!!

We will do you proud Olivier! Wait until you see the protests in America. There will be big counter protests- it will be quite interesting

 

BTW nice job France and England!

[Pete]

No he isn't. It's coming to SF on Wednesday and the idiotic Mayor and city government published the complete route. This insures they will need 2-3X the cops usually necessary because every kook in northern CA will be there.

I have to work in SF Wednesdy afternoon, but at the other side of town from where the torch will be, thank god.

 

I got to see it in 1996 when it came through the Stanford campus, where I worked at the time.

Freedom is a wonderful thing!

[Pete]

NPR has been discussing this:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=89176755

[Just Jack]

I tried to click on attachment and i get the "you do not have permission to access it"

Not sure why that is, unless it has to do with being a mod vs. regular poster.

 

Here's a link instead...

2002 Winter Olympics Torch

[Wacka]

The idiots F'd up the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday. What happens when those banners they put up come down on traffic or on a ship coming through the Gate?

 

I just heard on the local news that the SFPD canceled all vacations.

The cops should bust some heads on these protesters-the violent ones that try to disrupt stuff.

 

I protested in SF once- FOR Bush in the Bush-Gore vote "controversey" in 2000. About 100-150 of us marched around Union Square, It was also the same time that the anti-fur wierdo's were in the same area- the year before, they broke the Neiman Marcus window and threw blood on fur coats. There was a paddy wagon, a dozen mounted cops and a dozen cycle cops.

We got spit on by the fur nuts (because we stole some of the attention). A 65 year old woman in our group got shoved by one of the fur punks,

We stayed on the sidewalk and stopped and sang patriotic songs.

We then got to march down the street. We had a police escort- to protect us. Never saw so many middle fingers in my life. I replied by saying "Thank you! Yes we're #1!" When we were done we congratulated the cops. They told us they wished everyone was as nice as us.

[olivier in france]

The idiots F'd up the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday. What happens when those banners they put up come down on traffic or on a ship coming through the Gate?

 

I just heard on the local news that the SFPD canceled all vacations.

The cops should bust some heads on these protesters-the violent ones that try to disrupt stuff.

 

I protested in SF once- FOR Bush in the Bush-Gore vote "controversey" in 2000. About 100-150 of us marched around Union Square, It was also the same time that the anti-fur wierdo's were in the same area- the year before, they broke the Neiman Marcus window and threw blood on fur coats. There was a paddy wagon, a dozen mounted cops and a dozen cycle cops.

We got spit on by the fur nuts (because we stole some of the attention). A 65 year old woman in our group got shoved by one of the fur punks,

We stayed on the sidewalk and stopped and sang patriotic songs.

We then got to march down the street. We had a police escort- to protect us. Never saw so many middle fingers in my life. I replied by saying "Thank you! Yes we're #1!" When we were done we congratulated the cops. They told us they wished everyone was as nice as us.

 

 

Sometimes reading Wacka i wonder if that guy actually exists... Like i say often, what makes America great is that most of the time, the clichés and stereotypes about americans are UNDERestimating what americans really are!

 

If i had to write posts of a fictional american conservative on an internet forums i'd never go as far as wacka's fearing thoses posts 'd not look realistic to my readers!

[Wacka]

Sometimes reading Wacka i wonder if that guy actually exists... Like i say often, what makes America great is that most of the time, the clichés and stereotypes about americans are UNDERestimating what americans really are!

 

If i had to write posts of a fictional american conservative on an internet forums i'd never go as far as wacka's fearing thoses posts 'd not look realistic to my readers!

 

I am quite real.

 

I'm not against protesting. Stand on the sidewalk when the flame passes. Hold your signs and yell. But do not disrupt the torch relay. If you do, the cops should use the billy clubs they are issued, they are not fashion accessories. The left cannot protest here without resorting to violence.

 

You don't live in the Bay Area. SF is full of kooks and most of them are elected. It is the least kid friendly city in the US. The city has a huge deficit but the council argues about banning plastic bags at the supermarket or banning fois gras (those geese are abused!). A lot of tourists say SF is beautiful, but they have to clean it up.

[olivier in france]

I am quite real.

 

I'm not against protesting. Stand on the sidewalk when the flame passes. Hold your signs and yell. But do not disrupt the torch relay. If you do, the cops should use the billy clubs they are issued, they are not fashion accessories. The left cannot protest here without resorting to violence.

 

You don't live in the Bay Area. SF is full of kooks and most of them are elected. It is the least kid friendly city in the US. The city has a huge deficit but the council argues about banning plastic bags at the supermarket or banning fois gras (those geese are abused!). A lot of tourists say SF is beautiful, but they have to clean it up.

 

i've lived in SF Wacka... and excluding Boston, it's probably the town in the US i'd love to live in...

[Wacka]

I was right. It's 8 AM (4 hours before the torch relay) and the nuts are already out. My tax $ are getting wasted on overtime for theSFPD and the State Police. At least the State Police won't allow any crap. The reporter said the animal rights wackos are going to be out too. Why?

 

I was going to use the Bay Bridge to get there, but I think I'll cross lower and drive up the Peninsula to SF. I wouldn't put it past them to try and block both major bridges. Don't these idiots know if you screw up people's livelihoods, it just turns them off to your cause.

[KD in CA]

You do realize that conservatives have been in control for a bit, right?

 

I'm not aware of that. What conservatives have been in charge? As far as I can tell, big government liberals like Bush and 98% of congress have been in charge, expanding the federal bureaucracy at a frightening rate. I'm pretty sure this is what Darin was referring to, and was directed at the idiots here who fully support ceding even more power and control and money to the federal government.

[DC Tom]

I was right. It's 8 AM (4 hours before the torch relay) and the nuts are already out. My tax $ are getting wasted on overtime for theSFPD and the State Police. At least the State Police won't allow any crap. The reporter said the animal rights wackos are going to be out too. Why?

 

I was going to use the Bay Bridge to get there, but I think I'll cross lower and drive up the Peninsula to SF. I wouldn't put it past them to try and block both major bridges. Don't these idiots know if you screw up people's livelihoods, it just turns them off to your cause.

 

The animal rights whackos will show up for anything. Maybe the torch is fuelled with animal fat?

 

Or it might have something to do with the British Olympic Authority building their Olympic Park on the crushed bodies of dead kittens.

[Booster4324]

I'm not aware of that. What conservatives have been in charge? As far as I can tell, big government liberals like Bush and 98% of congress have been in charge, expanding the federal bureaucracy at a frightening rate. I'm pretty sure this is what Darin was referring to, and was directed at the idiots here who fully support ceding even more power and control and money to the federal government.

 

Actually, I was completely hammered when I posted that to be honest. Fairly sure what Darin meant was that this is what happens when government grows too powerful, so in that aspect I agree. He was using China as an extreme example.

 

If your ideals have been hijacked by an extreme fringe group then so have the liberals ideals been similarly changed. At least the ideals I grew up believing in.

[olivier in france]

The reporter said the animal rights wackos are going to be out too. Why?

 

maybe for the role dogs play in chinese cuisine...

[Wacka]

I thought that was Korea.

 

The route they were supposed to take was totally clogged with people. There would have been a riot. The route they moved it to was actually some of the streets I had to drive, but I was there about an hour before the torch came through.

 

Got paid mostly for driving. This was an update on a job I did last month. Drove 50 mile there spent 15 minutes at the site and drove 50 miles home. Took about 3 hours total.

[OCinBuffalo]

maybe for the role dogs play in chinese cuisine...

 

Looks like I was wrong....