hope all you teacher-hating, union-hating neanderthals enjoy:

[KD in CA]

Where were the union toughs to protect her, eh?

 

 

I'm married to a teacher. Only thing that union's good for is sheltering older teachers who've mailed it in and protecting tenure. That's it. Otherwise it does nothing for us as a member and spouse outside of threatening a strike every 5 years or so.

 

 

I just did the taxes for my sister and her new husband, a public school teacher. $700 in union dues on a salary of $35k. What a ripoff. I'd rather be a Neanderthal than be stupid enough to buy into the union bullsh-- that does nothing but keep slimey union lawyers in nice suits.

[Fan in San Diego]

Where were the union toughs to protect her, eh?

 

 

I'm married to a teacher. Only thing that union's good for is sheltering older teachers who've mailed it in and protecting tenure. That's it. Otherwise it does nothing for us as a member and spouse outside of threatening a strike every 5 years or so.

 

That is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

[MarkyMannn]

on a salary of $35k. What a ripoff.

 

Maybe that's in Connecticut. Any Buffalo suburb teacher can easily expect double that and more

[MarkyMannn]

I also support the teachers. And the cops. Talk about important, gutsy, underpaid and underappreciated professionals.

 

Where's the underpaid? Half the cops in NYS make over 100,000 a year with OT. Most teachers are in the $70-$80,000 range at least working what about 180 days a year. No sympathy here. And if it is so bad, leave and go into another career. In their own minds, they will always be underpaid

[RuntheDamnBall]

Where's the underpaid? Half the cops in NYS make over 100,000 a year with OT. Most teachers are in the $70-$80,000 range at least working what about 180 days a year. No sympathy here. And if it is so bad, leave and go into another career.

I'd like to know where you get your data. NYS Ed Dept says average is in the $53K range. That means that at a starting teacher salary of $35K that the longest tenured teachers MIGHT be making around $70K. MIGHT.

[Ramius]

I'd like to know where you get your data. NYS Ed Dept says average is in the $53K range. That means that at a starting teacher salary of $35K that the longest tenured teachers MIGHT be making around $70K. MIGHT.

 

Agreed. I dont know where the hell he's pulling those numbers from. My mom's been 11+ years at a suburban school in WNY and is only in the mid 40's. She'll hafta teach another 15 years before she starts even sniffing the numbers that he posted.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Agreed. I dont know where the hell he's pulling those numbers from.

My best guess is that it's a location devoid of sunshine.

[theesir]

The HIGHEST paid teachers, after 20 years of service may be making 70-80 (and after 20 years at the same job you should be making that much), new hires begin in the 30s. The poster claiming that the teachers are all getting rich is making a fool of himself.

[tennesseeboy]

Another case where there is no remedy without a lawyer...Funny how we badmouth them until we need them.

[Gordio]

Another case where there is no remedy without a lawyer...Funny how we badmouth them until we need them.

 

 

Let me guess your a lawyer. We may need lawyer's but not as many as there are in this country. I read somewhere, & my numbers maybe a little off that I think it said their is a lawyer in this country for every 1,000 people that live in this country. The next closest country to this ratio is like 12,000:1. That is a pretty amazing stat.

 

Lastly, let me say as far as the teacher is concerned, she took the job, she knew what she was getting into, I say let her use her sick days.

[Dante]

Where's the underpaid? Half the cops in NYS make over 100,000 a year with OT. Most teachers are in the $70-$80,000 range at least working what about 180 days a year. No sympathy here. And if it is so bad, leave and go into another career. In their own minds, they will always be underpaid

Exactly. Cry me a river. Best post of the year so far. Teachers a lot like farmers. Always crying poor. Drive by thier homes they have a new Expedition in the driveway and a Arlen Ness custom chopper parked beside it.

[Dante]

The HIGHEST paid teachers, after 20 years of service may be making 70-80 (and after 20 years at the same job you should be making that much), new hires begin in the 30s. The poster claiming that the teachers are all getting rich is making a fool of himself.

I see no problem with that pay scale. Almost overpaying for a glorified babysitter. If security is a problem dont blame the job. Dont blame the school. Blame the criminal and the clueless garbage that raise them.

[Ramius]

I see no problem with that pay scale. Almost overpaying for a glorified babysitter. If security is a problem dont blame the job. Dont blame the school. Blame the criminal and the clueless garbage that raise them.

 

funny. you call belittle teachers by calling them glorified babysitters, but when your kid turns into a !@#$ up, you'll be the first one screaming that it was the teachers fault they didnt train your little !@#$ up properly.

[tennesseeboy]

Looks like they get paid considerably more in states allowing collective bargaining...still they don't get paid enough.

http://www.aft.org/salary/2003/download/2003Table2.pdf

[Alaska Darin]

I see no problem with that pay scale. Almost overpaying for a glorified babysitter. If security is a problem dont blame the job. Dont blame the school. Blame the criminal and the clueless garbage that raise them.

There's a lot more to it than that. No one should be surprised that these behaviors keep escalating. It's a product of the "self esteem is SUPER" parenting/societal endeavor that has been going on for 25 years.

 

Spare the rod, spoil the mother friggin' child. Congrats liberals, the brats have all the power now.

[DC Tom]

That is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

 

I've worked for both AFT and NEA. It's not wrong, trust me. I'm willing to stipulate that some unions do good. I know from direct experience that AFT (of which BTF is an affiliate - yeah, BFT's web site says they're part of NYSUT, but NYSUT and AFT are the same damn thing) and NEA are useless at best.

[RuntheDamnBall]

I see no problem with that pay scale. Almost overpaying for a glorified babysitter. If security is a problem dont blame the job. Dont blame the school. Blame the criminal and the clueless garbage that raise them.

Few here have said that's a poor pay scale. They'e just pointing out that teachers don't average $70-80K as some clueless hack posted here, without facts to back it up, of course. It's this kind of garbage that spreads poor attitudes nationwide.

 

You're a real piece of work, man. Glorified babysitter? A babysitter is someone who nukes soup in the microwave and plops the kid in front of the TV. The minds of the future and our country depend on teachers -- and good parenting. And good parents treat teachers with respect and teach their kids to do the same. I hope to God you don't have any kids with an attitude like this.

 

It's the whole "my kid can do no wrong" idea that's ruining education these days. I've seen it firsthand, where my mother-in-law, well-regarded as a teacher by her colleagues in every position she held, didn't receive tenure after going back to work because she was unafraid to flunk a school board member's daughter.

 

And Darin, I really wish you'd spare us the idea that good parenting is a liberal / conservative issue. It's a laziness issue, it's a material issue, it's an issue of people who don't have a clue, whatever they believe. I know plenty of so-called conservatives who spoil their kids to no end with new cars, etc, that they haven't earned. And I know plenty of liberals who teach their kids to approach the world with an equal sense of wonder and respect, and they are well-disciplined. Of course, it cuts both ways. But either liberals are ruining everything with too many laws and regulations, or letting too many kids have free reign with not enough rules. Choose one.

 

What really needs to be expressed are the ideas that loving your kid can include not giving them everything they want, not buying them off with material things, and discipline whenever necessary.

[Ramius]

Few here have said that's a poor pay scale. They'e just pointing out that teachers don't average $70-80K as some clueless hack posted here, without facts to back it up, of course. It's this kind of garbage that spreads poor attitudes nationwide.

 

You're a real piece of work, man. Glorified babysitter? A babysitter is someone who nukes soup in the microwave and plops the kid in front of the TV. The minds of the future and our country depend on teachers -- and good parenting. And good parents treat teachers with respect and teach their kids to do the same. I hope to God you don't have any kids with an attitude like this.

 

And Darin, I really wish you'd spare us the idea that good parenting is a liberal / conservative issue. It's a laziness issue, it's a material issue, it's an issue of people who don't have a clue, whatever they believe. I know plenty of so-called conservatives who spoil their kids to no end with new cars, etc, that they haven't earned. And I know plenty of liberals who teach their kids to approach the world with an equal sense of wonder and respect, and they are well-disciplined. Of course, it cuts both ways. But either liberals are ruining everything with too many laws and regulations, or letting too many kids have free reign with not enough rules. Choose one.

 

What really needs to be expressed are the ideas that loving your kid can include not giving them everything they want, not buying them off with material things, and discipline whenever necessary.

 

Great post, RtDB!

[Lurker]

(and after 20 years at the same job you should be making that much)

 

Tell that to 80% of the workforce.

[theesir]

Tell that to 80% of the workforce.

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