Rico Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Unless some miracles start to happen, I think 2.25 years is long enough to effectively judge the 2002 draft. Considering where we were drafting (#4 overall), the talent pool available (very solid) and all that was riding on this draft (TD's future), it's been an unmitigated disaster, the worst draft in Bills history IMO. 2002 1 1 4 4 Mike Williams T Texas 2 2 4 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State 3 2 29 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young 4 3 32 97 Coy Wire DB Stanford 5 5 4 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado 6 6 4 176 Kevin Thomas DB UNLV 7 7 4 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn 8 7 39 250 Rodney Wright WR Fresno State 9 7 41 252 Jarrett Ferguson RB Virginia Tech 10 7 49 260 Dominique Stevenson LB Tennessee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Yeh, other than the last 3 scrubs, all of those players have helped us lose games Don't forget we gave up a pick to trade up & take Denney. Would anybody object if I put this symbol after every sentence? Sorry, it's hard not to when discussing this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Check out the 2000 draft. But get a bucket first, your gonna puke. 1 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona St. 2 58 Travares Tillman S Georgia Tech 3 89 Corey Moore OLB Virginia Tech 4 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee St. 5 156 Sammy Morris HB Texas Tech 6 194 Leif Larsen DT Texas-El Paso 7 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 7 251 DaShon Polk OLB Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 tracares tillman is actually playing well for carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Rico....were you watching Howard Simon today? Heheheehe That was my e-mail he read about that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 The 2002 draft would be half as painful if you didn't look at the players that were passed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 The 2002 draft would be half as painful if you didn't look at the players that were passed up. 65846[/snapback] Please don't rub salt in the wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikedag Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 We also traded our 2003 1st for drew on draft day 2002 Think of what this team would be if those 2 days played out differently Didn't Harrington go one pick ahead of us that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Check out the 2000 draft. But get a bucket first, your gonna puke. 1 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona St. 2 58 Travares Tillman S Georgia Tech 3 89 Corey Moore OLB Virginia Tech 4 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee St. 5 156 Sammy Morris HB Texas Tech 6 194 Leif Larsen DT Texas-El Paso 7 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 7 251 DaShon Polk OLB Arizona 65800[/snapback] They sucked, but they didn't lose any games for us, unlike the class of 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Rico....were you watching Howard Simon today? Heheheehe That was my e-mail he read about that draft. 65836[/snapback] No, I didn't... what did he have to say about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 No, I didn't...what did he have to say about it? 65872[/snapback] Pretty much that they sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 The 2002 draft was supposedly loaded with talent and we drafted at a high position. I recall that the 2000 draft was not particularly strong and we drafted much lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 O Discordia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Man, have things sunk low here. We're debating the worst drafts now? Thanks a lot, Donahoe and company! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 The 2002 draft was supposedly loaded with talent and we drafted at a high position. I recall that the 2000 draft was not particularly strong and we drafted much lower. 65894[/snapback] They say it takes 3-4 years for a drafts impact to be felt which is true. As the problem being with our 2000 draft being so poor it impacted what we did in 2002. Case in point if in 2000 we drafted DE Darren Howard instead of Erik Flowers we would likley have never drafted Ryan Denney. If we took WR Charles Lee (most common fans will be asking Charles who?) -click here for info . in Round 7 instead of Drew Haddad we might have never taken Josh Reed. I mean the look at just two of the Jets picks from that 2000 draft: John Abraham and Chad Pennington, who were likely the two primary reasons why the Bills lost Sunday. Everyone wants to put the blame on Donahoe for this team being so poor but I think Butler still deserves some of the blame because of that truly horrid 2000 draft. I mean imagine if Darren Howard on this defense, instead of Denney, maybe we could of taken an O-lineman like Andre Gurode (starting RG for Dallas) instead of Denney when we traded up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Too early to say on the draft. MW was rated the best OL in the country by half the "analysts" and the other half said Mckinnie was--either way everyone said they were both stud OL. Reed was awarded the best WR in college football. Not bad picks for a draft. MW has actually played well this year for the most part. He is a better run blocker than Mckinnie which was supposedly why we took him. Reed looked great as a rookie but mentally has regressed. Let's just see what happens the rest of the season. Any way you slice MW is our best OL period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 It was a pretty bad draft, although Mike Williams is actually starting to play well. Not just pretty good or average, but well. Historically there have been some pretty horrible drafts. Remember Phil Dokes or Tom Cousineau? I think Phil Dokes was a first overall pick and a complete bust, making Mike Williams look like an all pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 1 1 David Carr Texans QB Fresno State 2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers DE North Carolina 3 3 Joey Harrington Lions QB Oregon 4 4 Mike Williams Bills T Texas 5 5 Quentin Jammer Chargers DB Texas 6 6 Ryan Sims Chiefs DT North Carolina 7 7 Bryant McKinnie Vikings T Miami (FL) 8 8 Roy Williams Cowboys DB Oklahoma 9 9 John Henderson Jaguars DT Tennessee 10 10 Levi Jones Bengals T Arizona State 11 11 Dwight Freeney Colts DE Syracuse 12 12 Wendell Bryant Cardinals DT Wisconsin 13 13 Donte Stallworth Saints WR Tennessee 14 14 Jeremy Shockey Giants TE Miami (FL) 15 15 Albert Haynesworth Titans DT Tennessee 16 16 William Green Browns RB Boston College 17 17 Phillip Buchanon Raiders DB Miami (FL) 18 18 T.J. Duckett Falcons RB Michigan State 19 19 Ashley Lelie Broncos WR Hawaii 20 20 Javon Walker Packers WR Florida State 21 21 Dan Graham Patriots TE Colorado 22 22 Bryan Thomas Jets DE UAB 23 23 Napoleon Harris Raiders LB Northwestern 24 24 Edward Reed Ravens DB Miami (FL) 25 25 Charles Grant Saints DE Georgia 26 26 Lito Sheppard Eagles DB Florida 27 27 Mike Rumph 49ers DB Miami (FL) 28 28 Jerramy Stevens Seahawks TE Washington 29 29 Marc Colombo Bears T Boston College 30 30 Kendall Simmons Steelers G Auburn 31 31 Robert Thomas Rams LB UCLA 32 32 Patrick Ramsey Redskins QB Tulane Second Round 1 33 Jabar Gaffney Texans WR Florida 2 34 DeShaun Foster Panthers RB UCLA 3 35 Kalimba Edwards Lions DE South Carolina 4 36 Josh Reed Bills WR Louisiana State 5 37 Andre Gurode Cowboys G Colorado 6 38 Raonall Smith Vikings LB Washington State 7 39 Toniu Fonoti Chargers G Nebraska 8 40 Mike Pearson Jaguars T Florida 9 41 Lamont Thompson Bengals DB Washington State 10 42 Larry Tripplett Colts DT Washington 11 43 Eddie Freeman Chiefs DT UAB 12 44 LeCharles Bentley Saints C Ohio State 13 45 Tank Williams Titans DB Stanford 14 46 Tim Carter Giants WR Auburn 15 47 Andre Davis Browns WR Virginia Tech 16 48 Reche Caldwell Chargers WR Florida 17 49 LeVar Fisher Cardinals LB North Carolina State 18 50 Chester Pitts Texans G San Diego State 19 51 Clinton Portis Broncos RB Miami (FL) 20 52 Anthony Weaver Ravens DE Notre Dame 21 53 Langston Walker Raiders T California 22 54 Maurice Morris Seahawks RB Oregon 23 55 Doug Jolley Raiders TE Brigham Young 24 56 Ladell Betts Redskins RB Iowa 25 57 Jon McGraw Jets DB Kansas State 26 58 Michael Lewis Eagles DB Colorado 27 59 Sheldon Brown Eagles DB South Carolina 28 60 Anton Palepoi Seahawks DE UNLV 29 61 Ryan Denney Bills DE Brigham Young 30 62 Antwaan Randle El Steelers WR Indiana 31 63 Antonio Bryant Cowboys WR Pittsburgh 32 64 Travis Fisher Rams DB Central Florida 33 65 Deion Branch Patriots WR Louisville Third Round 1 66 Fred Weary Texans C Tennessee 2 67 Matt Schobel Bengals TE Texas Christian 3 68 Andre Goodman Lions DB South Carolina 4 69 Saleem Rasheed 49ers LB Alabama 5 70 Willie Offord Vikings DB South Carolina 6 71 Ben Leber Chargers LB Kansas State 7 72 Roosevelt Williams Bears DB Tuskegee 8 73 Will Witherspoon Panthers LB Georgia 9 74 Joseph Jefferson Colts DB Western Kentucky 10 75 Derek Ross Cowboys DB Ohio State 11 76 Melvin Fowler Browns C Maryland 12 77 Rocky Calmus Titans LB Oklahoma 13 78 Jeff Hatch Giants T Pennsylvania 14 79 Rashad Bauman Redskins DB Oregon 15 80 Will Overstreet Falcons DE Tennessee 16 81 Josh McCown Cardinals QB Sam Houston State 17 82 James Allen Saints LB Oregon State 18 83 Charles Hill Texans DT Maryland 19 84 Lamar Gordon Rams RB North Dakota State 20 85 Kris Richard Seahawks DB USC 21 86 Marquis Walker Buccaneers WR Michigan 22 87 Cliff Russell Redskins WR Utah 23 88 Chris Baker Jets TE Michigan State 24 89 Akin Ayodele Jaguars LB Purdue 25 90 Seth McKinney Dolphins C Texas A&M 26 91 Brian Westbrook Eagles RB Villanova 27 92 Marques Anderson Packers DB UCLA 28 93 Terrence Metcalf Bears G Mississippi 29 94 Chris Hope Steelers DB Florida State 30 95 Eric Crouch Rams WR Nebraska 31 96 Dorsett Davis Broncos DT Mississippi State 32 97 Coy Wire Bills DB Stanford 33 98 Dennis Johnson Cardinals DE Kentucky Fourth Round 1 99 Jonathan Wells Texans RB Ohio State 2 100 Dante Wesley Panthers DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff 3 101 Kevin Bentley Browns LB Northwestern 4 102 Jeff Chandler 49ers K Florida 5 103 Justin Peelle Chargers TE Oregon 6 104 Alex Brown Bears DE Florida 7 105 Brian Williams Vikings DB North Carolina State 8 106 David Thorton Colts LB North Carolina 9 107 Omar Easy Chiefs RB Penn State 10 108 David Garrard Jaguars QB East Carolina 11 109 Travis Dorsch Bengals K Purdue 12 110 Mike Echols Titans DB Wisconsin 13 111 Ben Taylor Browns LB Virginia Tech 14 112 Dave Zastudil Ravens P Ohio 15 113 Nate Dwyer Cardinals DT Kansas 16 114 Randy McMichael Dolphins TE Georgia 17 115 Tony Beckham Titans DB Wisconsin-Stout 18 116 Martin Bibla Falcons G Miami (FL) 19 117 Rohan Davey Patriots QB Louisiana State 20 118 Chris Luzar Jaguars TE Virginia 21 119 Travis Stephens Buccaneers RB Tennessee 22 120 Terreal Bierria Seahawks DB Georgia 23 121 Alan Harper Jets DT Fresno State 24 122 Darnell Sanders Browns TE Ohio State 25 123 Ron Johnson Ravens WR Minnesota 26 124 Scott Peters Eagles C Arizona State 27 125 Keyuo Craver Saints DB Nebraska 28 126 Jarvis Green Patriots DE Louisiana State 29 127 Kevin Curtis 49ers DB Texas Tech 30 128 Larry Foote Steelers LB Michigan 31 129 Jamar Martin Cowboys RB Ohio State 32 130 Travis Scott Rams G Arizona State 33 131 Sam Brandon Broncos DB UNLV 34 132 Edward Ta'amu Vikings G Utah 35 133 Rocky Boiman Titans LB Notre Dame 36 134 John Taylor Lions LB Montana State 37 135 Najeh Davenport Packers RB Miami (FL) 1 136 Jarrod Baxter Texans RB New Mexico Fifth Round 2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers QB Stanford 3 138 John Owens Lions TE Notre Dame 4 139 Justin Bannan Bills DT Colorado 5 140 Bobby Gray Bears DB Louisiana Tech 6 141 Andra Davis Browns LB Florida 7 142 Terry Charles Chargers WR Portland State 8 143 Scott Fujita Chiefs LB California 9 144 Herb Haygood Broncos WR Michigan State 10 145 Kyle Johnson Panthers RB Syracuse 11 146 Rocky Bernard Seahawks DE Texas A&M 12 147 Kenyon Coleman Raiders DE UCLA 13 148 Kevin McCadam Falcons DB Virginia Tech 14 149 Jason McAddley Cardinals WR Alabama 15 150 Mel Mitchell Saints DB Western Kentucky 16 151 Jake Schifino Titans WR Akron 17 152 Nick Greisen Giants LB Wisconsin 18 153 Ramone Walker Texans DB Pittsburgh 19 154 Jonathan Goodwin Jets G Michigan 20 155 Terry Jones Jr Ravens TE Alabama 21 156 Aaron Kampmann Packers DE Iowa 22 157 Jermaine Phillips Buccaneers DB Georgia 23 158 Kurt Kittner Falcons QB Illinois 24 159 Andre Lott Redskins DB Tennessee 25 160 Robert Royal Redskins TE Louisiana State 26 161 Omare Lowe Dolphins DB Washington 27 162 Freddie Milons Eagles WR Alabama 28 163 Brandon Doman 49ers QB Brigham Young 29 164 Craig Nall Packers QB Northwestern State 30 165 Bryan Knight Bears LB Pittsburgh 31 166 Verron Haynes Steelers RB Georgia 32 167 Courtland Bullard Rams LB Ohio State 33 168 Ralph Hunter Cowboys DB Virginia Union 34 169 Ryan Hannam Seahawks TE Northern Iowa 35 170 Sam Simmons Dolphins WR Northwestern 36 171 Matt Hill Seahawks T Boise State 37 172 Josh Shaw 49ers DT Michigan State Sixth Round 1 173 Howard Faggins Texans DB Kansas State 2 174 Keith Heinrich Panthers TE Sam Houston State 3 175 Chris Cash Lions DB USC 4 176 Kevin Thomas Bills DB UNLV 5 177 Nick Rogers Vikings LB Georgia Tech 6 178 Matt Anderle Chargers T Minnesota 7 179 Tyson Walter Cowboys T Ohio State 8 180 Clenton Ballard Jaguars DT Southwest Texas State 9 181 Marquand Manuel Bengals DB Florida 10 182 David Pugh Colts DT Virginia Tech 11 183 James Lewis Colts DB Miami (FL) 12 184 Kahlil Hill Falcons WR Iowa 13 185 Josh Scobey Cardinals RB Kansas State 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan Saints QB California-Davis 15 187 Justin Hartwig Titans T Kansas 16 188 Wesley Mallard Giants DB Oregon 17 189 Keyon Nash Raiders DB Albany State 18 190 Howard Green Texans DT Louisiana State 19 191 Jeb Putzier Broncos TE Boise State 20 192 Reggie Coleman Redskins T Tennessee 21 193 John Stamper Buccaneers DE South Carolina 22 194 Craig Jarrett Seahawks P Michigan State 23 195 LaMont Brightful Ravens WR Eastern Washington 24 196 John Gilmore Saints TE Penn State 25 197 Larry Ned Raiders RB San Diego State 26 198 Tyreo Harrison Eagles LB Notre Dame 27 199 Adrian Peterson Bears RB Georgia Southern 28 200 Mike Houghton Packers T San Diego State 29 201 Mark Anelli 49ers TE Wisconsin 30 202 Lee Mays Steelers WR Texas El Paso 31 203 Jamin Elliott Bears WR Delaware 32 204 Brian Allen Colts RB Stanford 33 205 Steve Bellisari Rams QB Ohio State 34 206 Javin Hunter Ravens WR Notre Dame 35 207 Chester Taylor Ravens RB Toledo 36 208 Deveren Johnson Cowboys WR Sacred Heart 37 209 Chad Williams Ravens DB Southern Mississippi 38 210 Bryan Fletcher Bears TE UCLA 39 211 Bob Slowikowski Cowboys TE Virginia Tech Seventh Round 1 212 LaVar Glover Steelers DB Cincinnati 2 213 Pete Campion Panthers G North Dakota State 3 214 Luke Staley Lions RB Brigham Young 4 215 Mike Pucillo Bills G Auburn 5 216 Seth Burford Chargers QB Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo 6 217 Michael Coleman Falcons WR Widener 7 218 Chad Beasley Vikings DT Virginia Tech 8 219 Joey Evans Bengals DE North Carolina 9 220 Josh Mallard Colts DE Georgia 10 221 Maurice Rodriguez Chiefs LB Fresno State 11 222 Kendall Newson Jaguars WR Middle Tennessee State 12 223 Mike Banks Cardinals TE Iowa State 13 224 Derrius Monroe Saints DE Virginia Tech 14 225 Darrell Hill Titans WR Northern Illinois 15 226 Daryl Jones Giants WR Miami (FL) 16 227 Joaquin Gonzalez Browns T Miami (FL) 17 228 Chris Young Broncos DB Georgia Tech 18 229 Greg White Texans DE Minnesota 19 230 Jeff Grau Redskins TE UCLA 20 231 Monsanto Pope Broncos DT Virginia 21 232 Jeff Kelly Seahawks QB Southern Mississippi 22 233 Tim Wansley Buccaneers DB Georgia 23 234 Gregory Scott Redskins DE Hampton 24 235 Ronald Curry Raiders QB North Carolina 25 236 Wes Pate Ravens QB Stephen F. Austin 26 237 Antwoine Womack Patriots RB Virginia 27 238 Raheem Brock Eagles DE Temple 28 239 Eric Heitmann 49ers G Stanford 29 240 Carlos Hall Titans DE Arkansas 30 241 Leonard Henry Dolphins RB East Carolina 31 242 Brett Keisel Steelers DE Brigham Young 32 243 Chris Massey Rams C Marshall 33 244 David Givens Patriots WR Notre Dame 34 245 Kevin Shaffer Falcons T Tulsa 35 246 Quincy Monk Giants LB North Carolina 36 247 Steve Smith Jaguars DB Oregon 37 248 Hayden Epstein Jaguars K Michigan 38 249 Kyle Koiser 49ers G Arizona State 39 250 Rodney Wright Bills WR Fresno State 40 251 Tracey Wistrom Buccaneers TE Nebraska 41 252 Jarrett Ferguson Bills RB Virginia Tech 42 253 Matt Murphy Lions TE Maryland 43 254 Aaron Lockett Buccaneers WR Kansas State 44 255 Zack Quaccia Buccaneers C Stanford 45 256 Teddy Gaines 49ers DB Tennessee 46 257 Rock Cartwright Redskins RB Kansas State 47 258 Brad Franklin Panthers DB Louisiana-Lafayette 48 259 Victor Rogers Lions T Colorado 49 260 Dominique Stevenson Bills LB Tennessee 50 261 Ahmad Miller Texans DT UNLV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 ...2000 has to rate pretty high up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 Pete, just looking at the 1st 100 players, there are a whole lot of what-ifs on the 1st day with the 4 scrubs we picked, but I am always stunned at all the great players drafted in the 1st round after our $36M bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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